Looby Chat (unofficial) march 26 2007

[2007.03.26 18:20:46] Hang out in the Lobby before the chat. This room is unmoderated and will close 2 minutes before chat time. See you in the Chat Room!
[2007.03.26 18:20:46] shopaholicchick has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:20:54] kippy: Ironic that Shelby used to work for MyPoints
[2007.03.26 18:20:54] The_Amazing Shadow: some people love my sense of humor...other....really don't :)
[2007.03.26 18:20:59] shopaholicchick: hi everyone
[2007.03.26 18:21:09] Kayecee: hey
[2007.03.26 18:21:12] The_Amazing Shadow: I didn't know that kippy.... hmmm interesting
[2007.03.26 18:21:17] The_Amazing Shadow: hi Shop
[2007.03.26 18:21:25] Kayecee: What is MyPoints
[2007.03.26 18:21:26] kippy: and JIll for giftcertificates.com
[2007.03.26 18:21:50] The_Amazing Shadow: I thought my points was one of the loyalty things we are are worrying about
[2007.03.26 18:21:58] kippy: yes, it is
[2007.03.26 18:22:22] Kayecee: welllllllll...... piss.... that explains a lot
[2007.03.26 18:23:06] kippy: brb I need to make some chips!
[2007.03.26 18:23:09] Shawn - Pristinephoto: from my understanding, though not a loyalty program itself, giftcertificates.com is a big loyalty advocate as well...
[2007.03.26 18:23:12] kippy: err french fries heh
[2007.03.26 18:23:49] G guy has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:24:13] Kayecee: well..... DOH! no wonder we're gettin' turned over if that's the background....
[2007.03.26 18:24:13] tabitha has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:24:19] Kayecee: *sigh*
[2007.03.26 18:24:24] GMO has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 18:24:39] shopaholicchick: is turned over the new word for screwed?
[2007.03.26 18:24:45] The_Amazing Shadow: lol
[2007.03.26 18:24:46] Kayecee: pretty much
[2007.03.26 18:24:48] Kayecee: LOL
[2007.03.26 18:24:56] shopaholicchick: just making sure i had the lingo
[2007.03.26 18:24:58] The_Amazing Shadow: they could at least bought us dinner
[2007.03.26 18:25:30] shopaholicchick: this really sucks
[2007.03.26 18:25:31] jim has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:25:46] The_Amazing Shadow: sits quietly sharpening his pitchfork
[2007.03.26 18:25:48] shopaholicchick: i justbuilt a whole affiliate site
[2007.03.26 18:25:49] G guy: They brought us here to buy them dinner!
[2007.03.26 18:25:53] shopaholicchick: and now in 2 months it is dead
[2007.03.26 18:26:00] jim: same with me
[2007.03.26 18:26:12] The_Amazing Shadow: i think Marty is going to make a killing
[2007.03.26 18:26:19] shopaholicchick: oh FYI if your waiting to see your design in my design of the day blog - don't expect to see it LOL
[2007.03.26 18:26:20] jim: I am ticked about no getting affiliate commission for referring to another cafe shop from my cafe shop
[2007.03.26 18:26:24] shopaholicchick: i am doscontinueing te blog
[2007.03.26 18:26:36] shopaholicchick: i need to get a moderator to shut down that thread on the forum
[2007.03.26 18:27:05] The_Amazing Shadow: thats a sad loss Jim... whcih wasn't a priority... let's support this big affiliates instead of shopkeepers
[2007.03.26 18:27:15] jim: amen to that
[2007.03.26 18:27:16] shopaholicchick: OK yesterday - i had a sale - i tracked it on activemeter - it came from someone else's shop - and the link used had thier PID on it - but i got full commission on the sale and they did not get thier affiliate credit
[2007.03.26 18:27:21] Shawn - Pristinephoto: I'll shut it down for ya shop.. if anyone else has threads they want me to close where you were asking for shops for your affiliate sites, just send me a PM on the boards
[2007.03.26 18:27:27] The_Amazing Shadow: Shop I have a new design...
[2007.03.26 18:27:28] jim: at least I made my $60 bucks back long before this happened
[2007.03.26 18:27:43] shopaholicchick: shawn let me post saying why it is closing
[2007.03.26 18:27:56] The_Amazing Shadow: i Have made $2200 alone this month in affiliate sales
[2007.03.26 18:27:58] Shawn - Pristinephoto: kk.. just let me know
[2007.03.26 18:28:24] The_Amazing Shadow: NOT looking forward to the changes
[2007.03.26 18:28:29] Kayecee: the further this goes.... the pisseder I get
[2007.03.26 18:28:31] shopaholicchick: shadow - unless your gonna share the secret ro sucess and sprinkle some fairy dust on me....
[2007.03.26 18:28:35] puzzled has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:28:42] Kayecee: me first
[2007.03.26 18:28:52] jim: really, $2200 this month?, I was making that much back last fall, but it dropped off suddenly in January like they changed my PID or something
[2007.03.26 18:28:53] shopaholicchick: i need like 13k to go to germany for school
[2007.03.26 18:28:56] The_Amazing Shadow: Rank well in Google I think is the secret
[2007.03.26 18:29:01] shopaholicchick: once i have that ill be happy
[2007.03.26 18:29:03] CommodoresLocker has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:29:04] Shawn - Pristinephoto: my opinion is they are so focused of "reach" of those major affiliates that they lost focus of the reach all of us smaller affiliates bring them. a case of not seeing the big picture.. lol
[2007.03.26 18:29:10] shopaholicchick: yeah well i cant seem to get myself into google
[2007.03.26 18:29:16] shopaholicchick: i was ranked really well
[2007.03.26 18:29:24] shopaholicchick: then like 3 months ago google dropkicked me
[2007.03.26 18:29:26] jim: I am at the top of my google searches, but it is my cafe shops there, so it doesnt help me
[2007.03.26 18:29:45] shopaholicchick: shawn theya re not looking at the cross shop sales theya re going to lose either
[2007.03.26 18:29:48] The_Amazing Shadow: December I went to Google Hell, but I recovered luckily
[2007.03.26 18:30:09] jim: Google Hell a bleak place
[2007.03.26 18:30:11] shopaholicchick: no one going to cross promote without affiliate - so now if people dont find it on the first shop they go to - they are going to leave CP not go to another shop
[2007.03.26 18:30:18] The_Amazing Shadow: it's going to foster competition and not cooperation, which is what I liked
[2007.03.26 18:30:30] jim: yeah, say goodbye to cross promoting and say hello to cross shop copying
[2007.03.26 18:30:36] shopaholicchick: did anyone read the FAQ?
[2007.03.26 18:30:39] Kayecee: I had no idea what you were talkin' about in December.... then BOOM... LOL
[2007.03.26 18:30:40] jim: which is what was going on back in 2005 all over the place
[2007.03.26 18:30:45] shopaholicchick: you cannot link to CJ from your CP shop!!!!
[2007.03.26 18:30:45] The_Amazing Shadow: several times....lol
[2007.03.26 18:30:49] Shawn - Pristinephoto: yeah.. the mods have been yelling at them about that as much as you guys have... heh.. not many of us, if any, are happy with the change either... :(
[2007.03.26 18:30:51] boop has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:30:54] jim: no, it doesnt count
[2007.03.26 18:31:10] The_Amazing Shadow: I wasn't here in 2005
[2007.03.26 18:31:21] jim: I have been here way too long my friends
[2007.03.26 18:31:34] jim: this job kills my taxes
[2007.03.26 18:31:44] jim: but I still love it
[2007.03.26 18:31:56] shopaholicchick: i am a full time student i need this to pay my tuition
[2007.03.26 18:32:11] The_Amazing Shadow: Next year tax time is going to be interesting
[2007.03.26 18:32:27] shopaholicchick: my tuition for fall semester is going to be like $12k because i am doing a semester abroad
[2007.03.26 18:32:33] Kayecee: I'm starting a few designs at P.... they're not real good yet, but they're only a freakin' year old.... I'm keepin' an eye on them
[2007.03.26 18:32:33] CommodoresLocker: well I'm just wondering how things will work out....
[2007.03.26 18:32:34] shopaholicchick: shadow - make payments
[2007.03.26 18:33:13] The_Amazing Shadow: I am going to pay off my credit cards right now...lol
[2007.03.26 18:33:35] shopaholicchick: kaye i tried them and had a HUGE problem with them
[2007.03.26 18:33:39] The_Amazing Shadow: Shadow has taste for expensive stuff
[2007.03.26 18:33:49] shopaholicchick: i had to threaten to get a lawyer involved to get my designs OFF thier server
[2007.03.26 18:33:55] boop: Hi guys....it's cowpie here. My sister got an invitation through her shop so I'm showing up in her place.
[2007.03.26 18:34:04] G guy: I actually make a buck at P. Nothing exciting but I only have... less than a dozen designs there. But yeah, their interface sux.
[2007.03.26 18:34:22] The_chat_doesn't_start until 4pm PST has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 18:34:27] Kayecee: Shadow- you'd better make payments on your credit card cuz when I become a top parasite...... er... ehm.... affiliate, I'm takin' 20% of everything you make! :-D
[2007.03.26 18:34:48] CobraA1 has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:35:04] i'm sick has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:35:18] absolute cotton has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:35:32] The_Amazing Shadow: noted...lol
[2007.03.26 18:35:34] jim has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 18:35:35] G guy: boop, don't need your real name. I'm thinkin' my cog is neato.
[2007.03.26 18:35:36] jim has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:35:40] The_Amazing Shadow: here to return Carl?
[2007.03.26 18:35:40] jim: oops, got booted
[2007.03.26 18:35:45] Karyn has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:35:45] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:36:01] absolute cotton: Returns make the world go round
[2007.03.26 18:36:05] absolute cotton: or at least the mail
[2007.03.26 18:36:08] boop: So who's the bartender here?
[2007.03.26 18:36:12] The_Amazing Shadow: or at least my check go down
[2007.03.26 18:36:42] The_Amazing Shadow: I can't complain this month overall...well...till now...
[2007.03.26 18:36:46] danesrus has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:37:07] absolute cotton: so... think we can talk everybody into putting the word "screwed" before their chatname?
[2007.03.26 18:37:22] Kayecee: LOL
[2007.03.26 18:37:27] Shawn - Pristinephoto: lol
[2007.03.26 18:37:31] boop: Hahaha...
[2007.03.26 18:37:35] BGryphon has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:37:37] CJ Parasite has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:37:40] jim has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 18:37:42] jim has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:37:57] CJ Parasite: I am here for your comssissions
[2007.03.26 18:37:59] shopaholicchick: LMAO abs
[2007.03.26 18:38:02] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:38:09] BGryphon has left the room
[2007.03.26 18:38:14] shopaholicchick: ao i am "screwed shopaholic" or "screwed chick" :-x
[2007.03.26 18:38:15] Kayecee: OMG LOL
[2007.03.26 18:38:22] jim: pretty much
[2007.03.26 18:38:40] jim: I will be "wasted 100 hours of my life promoting other people's shops"
[2007.03.26 18:38:46] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:38:50] i'm sick: anyone know what the deal with the affiliate chat is? wasn't it supposed to start half an hour ago?
[2007.03.26 18:38:56] Kayecee: only 100?
[2007.03.26 18:38:59] Kim has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:39:00] shopaholicchick: no
[2007.03.26 18:39:01] absolute cotton: tomorrow's starts at 3
[2007.03.26 18:39:03] jim: no, if you were invited, you know that it starts in 30 minutes
[2007.03.26 18:39:04] shopaholicchick: it starts in 20 minutes
[2007.03.26 18:39:08] The_Amazing Shadow: nope the one tomorrow is 3pm PST...today's is 4 PST
[2007.03.26 18:39:22] CJ Parasite: come to the dark side
[2007.03.26 18:39:25] G guy: 33 minutes
[2007.03.26 18:39:31] G guy: oops 22
[2007.03.26 18:39:32] jim: 32 minutes
[2007.03.26 18:39:33] shopaholicchick: my clock must be off
[2007.03.26 18:39:35] jim: 22 minutes
[2007.03.26 18:39:39] shopaholicchick: mine says 21 LOL
[2007.03.26 18:39:41] i'm sick: i was invited. i...maybe i entered the time converter thing incorrectly
[2007.03.26 18:39:47] jim: oh I see
[2007.03.26 18:39:51] Kayecee: geez people get a clock that works
[2007.03.26 18:39:54] G guy: Yes I CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.
[2007.03.26 18:40:01] jim: I felt all special to be invited, but I think like 200,000 people got invited
[2007.03.26 18:40:10] G guy: It's these dang new fingers. :(
[2007.03.26 18:40:19] shopaholicchick: lol jim i think everyone got it
[2007.03.26 18:40:23] Kayecee: I'll buy y'all all clocks that work when I become top parasite and take y'alls commission
[2007.03.26 18:40:32] jim: did you get a phone call chick?
[2007.03.26 18:40:36] absolute cotton: yeah, but 99.99% of them probably thought the email was from mypoints or upromise
[2007.03.26 18:40:44] shopaholicchick: i'm the US changed clocks 3 weeks early thisyear - so the converter is off
[2007.03.26 18:40:45] Kayecee: LOL
[2007.03.26 18:40:45] khorah has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:40:53] G guy: Well, nothing special to get in so... special invite?
[2007.03.26 18:40:57] CJ Parasite: would you like to earn affiliate points?
[2007.03.26 18:41:00] i'm sick: ohhh, of course. thanks. hadn't thought about that.
[2007.03.26 18:41:08] shopaholicchick: yeah we all got the "bend over and get screwed" email
[2007.03.26 18:41:12] The_Amazing Shadow: I think anyone can come...it's just the regular chat
[2007.03.26 18:41:26] shopaholicchick: shadow it was just not announced
[2007.03.26 18:41:30] jim: oh, I could have sworn that it said invite only
[2007.03.26 18:41:42] shopaholicchick: yeah and it said you had to RSVP
[2007.03.26 18:41:49] Kayecee: I thought prostitution was outlawed- we get screwed and pay for the privelege
[2007.03.26 18:41:55] The_Amazing Shadow: i don't think they are checking id
[2007.03.26 18:42:01] bysandra has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:42:01] shopaholicchick: lol kaye
[2007.03.26 18:42:07] absolute cotton: angela said it was invite only, but i didn't rsvp. I thought my closing would take longer... but here I am
[2007.03.26 18:42:07] G guy: It said invite only so I assumed PW or something. Nope. Just crawled in.
[2007.03.26 18:42:09] CJ Parasite: remember to say thank you
[2007.03.26 18:42:13] boop: I just RSVP'd about 15 minutes ago.
[2007.03.26 18:42:21] Kayecee: If they're checking id- I swear I'm 21 *bats eyelashes*
[2007.03.26 18:42:41] shopaholicchick: i should be working on my thesis
[2007.03.26 18:42:44] shopaholicchick: but i dont wanna
[2007.03.26 18:42:56] shopaholicchick: i dont remember 21
[2007.03.26 18:43:01] shopaholicchick: but then i look 19 so....
[2007.03.26 18:43:02] absolute cotton: I'll write it for ya... for 20 bucks
[2007.03.26 18:43:04] The_Amazing Shadow: kinda hazy?
[2007.03.26 18:43:04] shopaholicchick: i can pretend
[2007.03.26 18:43:07] absolute cotton: no guarantees
[2007.03.26 18:43:19] G guy: I remember 21. It was laste wednesday
[2007.03.26 18:43:21] The_Amazing Shadow: can she return it?
[2007.03.26 18:43:25] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:43:26] G guy: I think
[2007.03.26 18:43:27] shopaholicchick: lol abs $20 hell i have people offering to pay me upwards of $200 to write thiers
[2007.03.26 18:43:38] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:43:41] dooni designs has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:43:44] Kayecee: you get what you pay for
[2007.03.26 18:43:47] shopaholicchick: 50-75 pages
[2007.03.26 18:43:52] The_Amazing Shadow: I tried to write one once....they shouldn't begin "Once upon a time....."
[2007.03.26 18:44:00] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 18:44:01] shopaholicchick: lol kaye i would never pay anyone - no one can do it as well as i can
[2007.03.26 18:44:06] kiwi has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:44:09] Kayecee: LOL
[2007.03.26 18:44:12] dooni designs has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 18:44:23] absolute cotton: it's not about doing it better, shop... it's about drinking beer.
[2007.03.26 18:44:31] shopaholicchick: hell most people look at my thesis staement and go "duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
[2007.03.26 18:44:45] jim: when does the CJ thing start and affiliates as we know it end?
[2007.03.26 18:45:00] Dooni Designs has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:45:02] CJ Parasite: April 10th... the end of an era
[2007.03.26 18:45:14] Kayecee: If ya bought it from Carl.... he'd barge into your class just as your turning it in..... snatch it from the teacher and run out screaming that he has to return paper to Wal-Mart
[2007.03.26 18:45:15] jim: any beta testing?
[2007.03.26 18:45:22] shopaholicchick: cj starts 4/10 affil ends 5/30
[2007.03.26 18:45:38] coolcat has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:45:47] G guy: CP is still in beta
[2007.03.26 18:45:53] shopaholicchick: lol g
[2007.03.26 18:45:55] jim: haha
[2007.03.26 18:45:58] absolute cotton: no beta, jim... they want big network affiliates in the program... not shopkeepers
[2007.03.26 18:45:59] slamdunk has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:46:01] The_Amazing Shadow: actually CJ is still in Alpha
[2007.03.26 18:46:20] Mare SK has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:46:25] Adam has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:46:25] KellKellSK has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:46:29] shopaholicchick: abs they should do both
[2007.03.26 18:46:34] shopaholicchick: let us keep our internal affil
[2007.03.26 18:46:37] Adam: :P
[2007.03.26 18:46:42] shopaholicchick: and let the big affils have a bite too
[2007.03.26 18:46:45] The_Amazing Shadow: that's a nice thought
[2007.03.26 18:46:51] shopaholicchick: adammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i been looking for u
[2007.03.26 18:47:08] mamm has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:47:22] Shawn - Pristinephoto: ok.. adams on.. everyone quit talkin about him.. :p
[2007.03.26 18:47:27] slamdunk: hey guys... I didn't get any special login instructions... do we need to do anything extra to stay in when the chat starts?
[2007.03.26 18:47:30] shopaholicchick: but what fun is that shawn
[2007.03.26 18:47:32] Towal has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:47:37] G guy: 14 minutes. Mebbe those who have bobbin boobies should start rubbin.
[2007.03.26 18:47:39] The_Amazing Shadow: no slam..you're in the right place
[2007.03.26 18:47:42] Shawn - Pristinephoto: oh.. good point.. heheh
[2007.03.26 18:47:43] shopaholicchick: adam is prolly hiding in the corner from me anyways
[2007.03.26 18:47:43] Dooni Designs: adam is always too busy playing with his....
[2007.03.26 18:47:45] Adam: i saw ur pm ;) i'll reply to it soon honest
[2007.03.26 18:47:47] Dooni Designs: widgets
[2007.03.26 18:47:48] absolute cotton: yeah, shopa - that'd be great, but we'd still be screwed
[2007.03.26 18:47:53] shopaholicchick: i make him think too much
[2007.03.26 18:48:03] slamdunk: cool, thanks :) I'd hate to get kicked out when it starts
[2007.03.26 18:48:06] SagArt has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:48:06] The_Amazing Shadow: mirroed shops...the wave of the future
[2007.03.26 18:48:11] The_Amazing Shadow: opss mirrored
[2007.03.26 18:48:17] absolute cotton: it's gonna take a crapload of extra affiliate sales to overcome the loss of tier bonus
[2007.03.26 18:48:19] The_Amazing Shadow: hiya Sag
[2007.03.26 18:48:20] jim: mirrored? are you Mr. Pitt?
[2007.03.26 18:48:27] shopaholicchick: abs it would mean we could kep our friends section on our shops though
[2007.03.26 18:48:30] SagArt: Hi folks!
[2007.03.26 18:48:31] G guy: Stop with the guinness Shad.
[2007.03.26 18:48:38] boop: Hi Sag!
[2007.03.26 18:48:39] shopaholicchick: with CJ - we are not allowed to link from our CP shop to CJ!!!
[2007.03.26 18:48:51] cat1 has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:48:52] FaeryMeg has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:48:55] shopaholicchick: so we cannot send people out from out shop to other shops!!
[2007.03.26 18:48:56] absolute cotton: i'm offsite now, shopa. my site and my traffic belong to me.
[2007.03.26 18:49:01] Towal: how many folks got calls from CP today?
[2007.03.26 18:49:06] jim: you are still allowed to link from your shop to another, you just won't get paid for it
[2007.03.26 18:49:11] shopaholicchick: i have an offsite i just made
[2007.03.26 18:49:11] SagArt: I did.
[2007.03.26 18:49:13] shopaholicchick: but it is all affil
[2007.03.26 18:49:17] shopaholicchick: so now i am screwed
[2007.03.26 18:49:17] The_Amazing Shadow: Mirrored shops...two identical shops...one opted in...one opted out....my CPshop will pull in the opted out so no one can steal the sales
[2007.03.26 18:49:28] absolute cotton: listen to shadow - his idea is brilliant
[2007.03.26 18:49:28] Kayecee: Carl- unless one of my parasites has attached itself to your traffic MWAHAHAHAHAH
[2007.03.26 18:49:30] Kim: I got a call two days ago.
[2007.03.26 18:49:32] kiwi: CP called you Towal?
[2007.03.26 18:49:42] CJ Parasite: I am here for your sales
[2007.03.26 18:49:43] Towal: yep a few minutes ago
[2007.03.26 18:49:46] shopaholicchick: yeah no offense shadow - but wanna speak en english?
[2007.03.26 18:49:48] Dooni Designs: call about what
[2007.03.26 18:49:52] KellKellSK: Call? Dor what?
[2007.03.26 18:49:53] Adam: oh so brilliant idea lol not
[2007.03.26 18:49:58] SagArt: yep, they called me too.
[2007.03.26 18:50:00] jim: wait, they cannot still take away 5% commission from us if it is an affiliate sale
[2007.03.26 18:50:06] jim: or take from our volume bonus
[2007.03.26 18:50:11] Towal: to ask what my concerns about this change were
[2007.03.26 18:50:15] jim: because CP doesn't control it, CJ does
[2007.03.26 18:50:18] KellKellSK: Ahh
[2007.03.26 18:50:26] kiwi: Umm - warm fuzzy calls to make you feel better, or actually seeking input?
[2007.03.26 18:50:38] SagArt: input
[2007.03.26 18:50:40] The_Amazing Shadow: That was english...well sort of
[2007.03.26 18:50:54] kiwi: Sag - that's great to hear!
[2007.03.26 18:51:18] Towal: well I'm guessing it was started out as warm fuzzy, but I do think she listened to some of the stuff I said and *maybe* gets why some of us are freaked out atm
[2007.03.26 18:51:18] SagArt: depends what end of the phone you are on as most people would say.
[2007.03.26 18:51:37] jim: who called you?
[2007.03.26 18:51:39] Towal: I told her to go read Kaycee's post as well which she said they had done and would be addressing some of that stuff today
[2007.03.26 18:51:41] shopaholicchick: shadow that was geek-speak and i am not fluent
[2007.03.26 18:51:42] char has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 18:51:51] shopaholicchick: my bold keeps turning off in here
[2007.03.26 18:52:10] SagArt: shelby
[2007.03.26 18:52:11] Kayecee: MY POST :-o Damn I'm in trouble....
[2007.03.26 18:52:17] Dooni Designs: :~(
[2007.03.26 18:52:18] absolute cotton: Shopa - if you're affiliating unaffiliated products (as in
your own" from a mirrored shop opted-out) you set a cookie for marketplace purchases (that could possibly overridden) but there's no way to steal your commish
[2007.03.26 18:52:20] Kayecee: LOL
[2007.03.26 18:52:23] Adam: hello cj parasite lol
[2007.03.26 18:52:30] Towal: um camilia? (I was sound asleep when she called and just saw cafepress on the caller id so grabbed it. was still fuzzy when she said her name lol)
[2007.03.26 18:52:35] shopaholicchick: abs i have no clue what that means
[2007.03.26 18:52:55] Shawn - Pristinephoto: hope they address them in the post as well.. not everyone who reads Kayecee's post will be here... loved the post btw Kayecee.. very well stated... heh
[2007.03.26 18:52:57] jim: I got a call from a dude
[2007.03.26 18:53:06] The_Amazing Shadow: let me try again.... two shops with identical content... one is opted into teh marketplace... and one is opted out... you will still have your designs in the marketplace... but for the offsite store (ran by CPShop) would have the opted out stuff in it... so parasites and loyalty schemes can't get commission on them
[2007.03.26 18:53:07] Kayecee: thank you
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[2007.03.26 18:53:34] shopaholicchick: but it takes me forever to make one shop
[2007.03.26 18:53:38] tabitha: what is the link to the post, if you don't mind
[2007.03.26 18:53:39] shopaholicchick: how do you make 2 shops???
[2007.03.26 18:53:42] jim: ever hear of copy and paste
[2007.03.26 18:53:48] CJ Parasite: sorry can't talk... too busy getting affiliate sales I don't deserve
[2007.03.26 18:53:59] Shawn - Pristinephoto: rofl
[2007.03.26 18:54:03] Adam: lol :)
[2007.03.26 18:54:04] shopaholicchick: jim i have 4500 designs already in my 2 shops....
[2007.03.26 18:54:05] The_Amazing Shadow: well we need to be able to copy sections... or it will be alot of work
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[2007.03.26 18:54:20] jim: there is an option to copy stuff in your toolbar when you log into manage shop
[2007.03.26 18:54:24] char: as an affiliate before becoming a SK - I am not amused
[2007.03.26 18:54:25] hazeleyes7: Did I miss the Affiliate Chat? :(
[2007.03.26 18:54:25] shopaholicchick: shadow i have been asking for that for a year
[2007.03.26 18:54:26] jim: look for it there
[2007.03.26 18:54:32] absolute cotton: loyalty schemes and the like can steal your advertising efforts, making adwords and the like advertising you pay so mypoints can cash in. Making a duplicate shop guarantees that your ad dollars pay you only
[2007.03.26 18:54:35] FaeryMegggggg: Boy I hate when I DC in the middle of chatting
[2007.03.26 18:54:37] shopaholicchick: no it starts soon
[2007.03.26 18:54:40] The_Amazing Shadow: brb
[2007.03.26 18:54:46] CobraA1: Hazeleyes: nope, it starts soon
[2007.03.26 18:54:55] hazeleyes7: Oh thank goodness - it said 3pm PT but I had 4pm PT
[2007.03.26 18:55:04] shopaholicchick: no tommorrow is 3pm
[2007.03.26 18:55:09] CobraA1: it's 4 today
[2007.03.26 18:55:14] Towal: you still have to recreate all the sections, but you can import the contents, but for big stores even that would be a nightmare. I'm not sure it's allowed either, but as long as it's not spamming the marketplace I don't see why you couldn't do it from a TOS standpoint
[2007.03.26 18:55:18] hazeleyes7: There is one tomorrow as well?
[2007.03.26 18:55:23] Kayecee: someone wanted this http://forums.cafepress.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/865103631/m/835108731
[2007.03.26 18:55:29] tabitha: thanks kayecee
[2007.03.26 18:55:29] kiwi: CP folks are showing up in the Chat Room... Warren, Britta...
[2007.03.26 18:55:36] shopaholicchick: today is the email invite one
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[2007.03.26 18:55:54] shopaholicchick: usually they come tell us when they are ready
[2007.03.26 18:55:55] absolute cotton: If you're paying for the shop, and you're promoting it offsite - why would they have a problem?
[2007.03.26 18:56:07] hazeleyes7: ahh - okay *wipes her brow*
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[2007.03.26 18:56:25] shopaholicchick: for 4500 designs - it would take me a year to make duplicates
[2007.03.26 18:56:37] shopaholicchick: heck i still have not added new products to most of my designs
[2007.03.26 18:56:39] absolute cotton: yeah. we've been asking for a "mirror" option
[2007.03.26 18:56:46] hazeleyes7: same here shop
[2007.03.26 18:56:48] absolute cotton: we should ask again
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[2007.03.26 18:56:55] shopaholicchick: i would be happy with a "copy" or "duplicate" option
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[2007.03.26 18:57:12] hazeleyes7: my DogWire store has over 60,000 products currently - I just cant get them all done at once
[2007.03.26 18:57:13] shopaholicchick: i woudl love to copy my sections into my other shop
[2007.03.26 18:57:17] shopaholicchick: so they appear in both
[2007.03.26 18:57:29] absolute cotton: i want a whole-shop copy
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[2007.03.26 18:57:30] shopaholicchick: only 60,000??
[2007.03.26 18:57:35] hazeleyes7: oh that would be great! Did you send that copy or mirror idea to CP?
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[2007.03.26 18:57:51] shopaholicchick: hazel i have been askign for a year
[2007.03.26 18:58:00] absolute cotton: we asked in several SMfART threads, but they went ignored
[2007.03.26 18:58:01] i'm sick: yeah, and it'd be GREAT if we could move sections within a shop more easily. i mean, it's a pain to have to recreate new sections and subsections every time i reorganize!
[2007.03.26 18:58:11] hazeleyes7: Did you send it to the top shopkeepers people?
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[2007.03.26 18:58:23] shopaholicchick: you can move things
[2007.03.26 18:58:28] shopaholicchick: you just cannot duplicate them
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[2007.03.26 18:58:41] absolute cotton: import duplicates, doesn't it?
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[2007.03.26 18:58:48] shopaholicchick: abs only on product
[2007.03.26 18:58:51] hazeleyes7: I would love to copy sections - duplicate my Lab stuff on my All Dog site :D
[2007.03.26 18:58:55] shopaholicchick: you have to create the section then import the product
[2007.03.26 18:59:04] shopaholicchick: so that is no faster then making a whole new section
[2007.03.26 18:59:05] i'm sick: well, to my knowledge, you can only move things within--exactly
[2007.03.26 18:59:13] i'm sick: if you're moving a LOT of sections to a new section,
[2007.03.26 18:59:15] i'm sick: that's a lot of work
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[2007.03.26 18:59:24] BrittaCP: Hi everyone.... thanks for joining today. The Lobby will be closing in just a moment.
[2007.03.26 18:59:33] The_Amazing Shadow: it not only protects your commission but your volume bonuses as well
[2007.03.26 18:59:40] boop: Thanks Britta....
[2007.03.26 18:59:53] absolute cotton: yeah, it's a big pain. it'd be great if cp would set up a way to clone a shop, but with unique product numbers
[2007.03.26 19:00:05] i'm sick: ooh, time to move along, i guess...
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[2007.03.26 19:00:28] shopaholicchick: abs i wish we could import sections not only product
[2007.03.26 19:00:41] i'm sick: that's EXACTLY what i'm trying to say, shop
[2007.03.26 19:00:42] i'm sick: :)
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[2007.03.26 19:01:00] shopaholicchick: i have been saying it for a year
[2007.03.26 19:01:51] kiwi: me too, shoppa
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[2007.03.26 19:02:32] kippy: hey Jean
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[2007.03.26 20:05:27] kiwi: Welcome to the few, the proud the 0.25%
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[2007.03.26 20:05:32] slamdunk: LOL
[2007.03.26 20:05:35] The_Amazing Shadow: lol
[2007.03.26 20:05:36] Hannah: Good grief
[2007.03.26 20:05:38] i'm sick: So from the questions just asked, I want to understand one thing...
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[2007.03.26 20:05:47] The_Amazing Shadow: well I want to know how much the 1/4% made in sales
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[2007.03.26 20:05:55] Hannah: Sorry - no specific information allowed
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[2007.03.26 20:06:04] Towal: lol ya'll we just got peed on and told it was raining ;)
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[2007.03.26 20:06:12] ameriyank: I made almost $2000 last year from my shop by liinnking to other shops
[2007.03.26 20:06:19] Nan: cold and drizzly in Washington
[2007.03.26 20:06:22] SagArt: Yep, peed on bigtime!
[2007.03.26 20:06:23] ameriyank: I think it was $1600-something actually
[2007.03.26 20:06:23] slamdunk: I'm shocked at the 1/4%.... I'm brand new, and I've already made quite a few affiliate sales
[2007.03.26 20:06:26] The_Amazing Shadow: ummm I made over 2200 this month
[2007.03.26 20:06:27] kippy: big time!
[2007.03.26 20:06:27] ShelfLife: Shadow, no offense, but I wouldn't answer that question, either... sales data is private.
[2007.03.26 20:06:28] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I feel sore and I KNOW I'm not getting called in the morning!
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[2007.03.26 20:06:34] Nan: none of my Q's were answered :(
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[2007.03.26 20:06:48] Bridgett: Neither were mine Nan
[2007.03.26 20:06:50] kippy: nor mine
[2007.03.26 20:06:57] SagArt: nor mine
[2007.03.26 20:07:01] zoescloset: mine got the run around.
[2007.03.26 20:07:02] The_Amazing Shadow: I got two of out 10...lol
[2007.03.26 20:07:02] i'm sick: Someone made it sound like we'll only be able to have affiliate links in off CP websites. Did I understand that right? Will we not be able to have links in our CP shops?
[2007.03.26 20:07:03] KellKell @ SpiritKeep: nor mine
[2007.03.26 20:07:04] Bridgett: Hey Sag
[2007.03.26 20:07:05] pembrokewcorgi: mine either :-(
[2007.03.26 20:07:06] zoescloset: as a lot of ours did
[2007.03.26 20:07:11] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I made $$ from linking to other shops, and I'm small fry.
[2007.03.26 20:07:15] Nan: Did anyone get that FAQ link to work?
[2007.03.26 20:07:17] Hannah: So how many people here can manage to link to a portal they WANT to link to without their own products coming up
[2007.03.26 20:07:28] SagArt: hi bridgett
[2007.03.26 20:07:31] Towal: I'm surprised they let mine through and she only went back and "finished" answering after I sent a less than happy response to her answer ;)
[2007.03.26 20:07:32] kiwi: yes, i'm sick - affiliate sales can only originate from off-CP now
[2007.03.26 20:07:33] KellKell @ SpiritKeep: Nan: the CJ FAQ?
[2007.03.26 20:07:33] zoescloset: my faq link went through
[2007.03.26 20:07:40] Kim: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/affiliate/cjfaqs#qs
[2007.03.26 20:07:44] The_Amazing Shadow: well I see another larger problem which I haven't seen anyone address..... I brought it up three times to no avail...lol
[2007.03.26 20:07:44] Kim: i did
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[2007.03.26 20:07:48] i'm sick: kiwi - does that make any sense to you? :)/:(
[2007.03.26 20:07:55] zoescloset: hannah, they did address that a little at the end, did you see it?
[2007.03.26 20:08:06] kippy: shadow, what problem is that?
[2007.03.26 20:08:10] Mare SK: I am just as confused as I was before the chat started.... Oh, well... what did I expect? Enlightenment?
[2007.03.26 20:08:12] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": LOL, I sent the link to Kaycee's post before the chat even started.
[2007.03.26 20:08:17] Towal: I tried to get this question though in different forms THREE times
[2007.03.26 20:08:22] Hannah: No they just repeated the same non-specific as before
[2007.03.26 20:08:27] Nan: what do re read on the FAQ to find info about what we discussed (rather read) today?
[2007.03.26 20:08:27] ameriyank: I can understand the move to CJ to attract non-CP web sites to affialite. But why screw us with our shops and FORCE us to create new web sites that cost us money to maintain?
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[2007.03.26 20:08:33] absolute cotton: I'd say that 90% of cp's shops are basic "add something and forget about it" deals. You can manipulate numbers any way you like... if it's your core competency.
[2007.03.26 20:08:36] slamdunk: I'm sick, they don't see a purpose in trying to sell to someone who's already shopping in CP
[2007.03.26 20:08:38] Hannah: They account for the possibility but no guide as to how much it soo much
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[2007.03.26 20:08:50] Towal: what about the people that have "mall" type shops that feature both their own and other people's designs. Even if they drive traffic now it is no good because it's "not allowed"
[2007.03.26 20:08:56] kiwi: i'm sick: slamdunk got it right
[2007.03.26 20:08:58] jean / rotemgear: pleae stop saying "core competency"
[2007.03.26 20:08:59] Timewarp: did the address the parasitewear CJ is famous for? I was late.
[2007.03.26 20:09:02] The_Amazing Shadow: well as shopkeepers we will be linking primarily offsite of CP with links to our tore... we can't use CJ links... so we fon't get the cookie set and don't get credit if they go elsewhere from CP... I don't want affiliate commissions on my stuff... I do want to set the cookie
[2007.03.26 20:09:06] Mare SK: Nothing but rhetoric... this seems more like a political convention.
[2007.03.26 20:09:10] The_Amazing Shadow: opss stores
[2007.03.26 20:09:15] Hannah: They addessed parasties
[2007.03.26 20:09:18] Hannah: parasites
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[2007.03.26 20:09:26] G guy: I got mine one answered 12 times at the end. Makin' me look like an idiot. Oh, wait. I am!
[2007.03.26 20:09:27] Hannah: They think they know enough to avoid them
[2007.03.26 20:09:29] jean / rotemgear: no they really didn't address parasite
[2007.03.26 20:09:30] Hannah: I'm not convinced
[2007.03.26 20:09:31] The_Amazing Shadow: that make sense?
[2007.03.26 20:09:31] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 20:09:41] i'm sick: what a bunch of b.s.!
[2007.03.26 20:09:43] Hannah: Even less convinced now than I was
[2007.03.26 20:09:46] kiwi: shadow - I asked the same question three times.
[2007.03.26 20:09:48] absolute cotton: it's b.s. for sure
[2007.03.26 20:09:52] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Timewarp, we don't even rate a representative from CJ at the CJ chat tomorrow - we get people who don't know what "set a cookie" means.
[2007.03.26 20:09:58] The_Amazing Shadow: lol... I asked it three times...lol
[2007.03.26 20:10:01] i'm sick: I'm sorry, but I honestly believe that a good portion of my sales come from people who've never even heard of CP before
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[2007.03.26 20:10:11] Towal: when she said that about core compentency the second or third time I said "how do you know when you didn't even give it a chance"
[2007.03.26 20:10:12] Hannah: Same here
[2007.03.26 20:10:13] givitup: I asked 2 questions that didn't get answered:
[2007.03.26 20:10:16] jean / rotemgear: I am going to make a "core Comptetency" design :D
[2007.03.26 20:10:17] i'm sick: they assume it's an independent shop, like any other on the internet
[2007.03.26 20:10:25] Towal: I also made a snide comment about the reporting
[2007.03.26 20:10:27] absolute cotton: i asked several parasite q's.. pointed and specific... but all they picked was a strawman question
[2007.03.26 20:10:32] jean / rotemgear: meanwhile: http://www.rotemgear.com/smart.png
[2007.03.26 20:10:33] SagArt: well my questions had comments in them so there was no way they were going to get answered!
[2007.03.26 20:10:34] shopaholicchick: nothing of mine got answered
[2007.03.26 20:10:39] Hannah: mine neither
[2007.03.26 20:10:39] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I wish they'd speak to us like people, not use salestalk.
[2007.03.26 20:10:40] Timewarp: not surprising, i was just wondering how they would dance around the issue :(
[2007.03.26 20:10:41] kippy: This chat definitely makes me even less confident in the choices made
[2007.03.26 20:10:45] shopaholicchick: but thats because i did not tell them what they wanted to hear
[2007.03.26 20:10:46] Bridgett: yep, whatever the covered in this chat is all in the FAQ's, I learned nothing new, just, since I'm not one of the big players in either the CP world or affiliate world, that I doubt that anyone could find my designs to link to them
[2007.03.26 20:10:51] Jolent: If our own domain is there to promote our own CP shop, how can we possible promote our own shop if we can't add an affilate link to place a cookie so if anyone doesnt buy from us (giving us bonus only) but goes on we would then lose out on affiliate sales too.
[2007.03.26 20:10:52] slamdunk: so, what do we actually DO to direct people into our own shop from someplace like a personal website?
[2007.03.26 20:10:52] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": "core competency", my ass
[2007.03.26 20:10:54] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 20:10:58] The_Amazing Shadow: lol jean
[2007.03.26 20:11:03] kippy: hahaha Jean
[2007.03.26 20:11:08] Hannah: The best thing about the chat was that I know what to do now
[2007.03.26 20:11:08] zoescloset: there has to be a way for them to set it up where we just don't get the affiliate commission on anything we made.
[2007.03.26 20:11:15] shopaholicchick: i pointed out that 25% of my sales come from other shops - and with no internal referrals cp will lose 25% of thier sales
[2007.03.26 20:11:17] The_Amazing Shadow: i Guess I should tell my wife she is becoming an affiliate
[2007.03.26 20:11:19] Hannah: It didn't relieve any concerns
[2007.03.26 20:11:21] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 20:11:29] absolute cotton: i hear ya, shadow
[2007.03.26 20:11:33] shopaholicchick: lol shadow
[2007.03.26 20:11:35] Hannah: It didn't show any possibility of working out the issues important to me
[2007.03.26 20:11:37] givitup: One question I tried to ask/say was when I link to my site from my blog and someone goes there and then on to another shop - I have sent traffice to CP so I feel like I should be able to set the pid.
[2007.03.26 20:11:39] slamdunk: LOL shadow
[2007.03.26 20:11:46] kiwi: shadow - lol - your wife will love that job, I'm sure.
[2007.03.26 20:11:49] Hannah: Yeah
[2007.03.26 20:12:05] Hannah: Giveitup - they can't deal with it so we are screwed
[2007.03.26 20:12:09] The_Amazing Shadow: I don't like that route because I lose my volume bonus... I just want that damn cookie (hmmm I am making a shirt... Gimme my damn cookie)
[2007.03.26 20:12:11] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": There is, Zoe's closet, and i straight out asked if the "no linking to your own shop" rule was to discourage SK from being affiliates.
[2007.03.26 20:12:26] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": SK + Affiliate = too much power
[2007.03.26 20:12:30] Hannah: They have no way of doing anything more than spanking us if they catch our affiliate link coming into our own shop
[2007.03.26 20:12:40] absolute cotton: nah - if there's an unexpired cookie, you don't even get the credit for a sale you generated from google adsense. it favors affiliates and affiliates ONLY
[2007.03.26 20:12:41] Jolent: How many SK's actually bought more premium shops, so they could be filled with affiliate links?
[2007.03.26 20:12:44] givitup: Did anyone else feel like the entire chat was a waste and they just said a couple things over and over again?
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[2007.03.26 20:12:46] Hannah: rewarding us for driving the traffic is so not in their game plan
[2007.03.26 20:12:50] kiwi: the Amazing Shadow a.k.a the Cookie Monster:)
[2007.03.26 20:12:50] G guy: So, essentially, in order to make it work in house they have to program differently. Now it makes sense since they don't have any programmers. :(
[2007.03.26 20:12:55] FaeryMegggggg: I love how the two positive comments about CJ made it through, but not all the questions about parasites.
[2007.03.26 20:12:56] Suntop: ahh..finally i got here..
[2007.03.26 20:13:01] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": SEO is also SO not in their game plan.
[2007.03.26 20:13:07] Mare SK has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 20:13:08] Hannah: LOL
[2007.03.26 20:13:18] ameriyank: yes the caht was a waste, the FAQ was the same
[2007.03.26 20:13:22] givitup: You guys are going too fast - I can't read this fast! :-o
[2007.03.26 20:13:36] i'm sick: Yeah, I have to say...I have more questions now than I did when I went in!
[2007.03.26 20:13:37] UncleFrog: I'm getting a little dizzy keeping up too
[2007.03.26 20:13:38] jean / rotemgear: I also asked why would any SK not in the top 600,000 want to be opted in ...
[2007.03.26 20:13:39] Hannah: SEO what is that ?
[2007.03.26 20:13:45] SagArt: screwed and tatooed is what we are
[2007.03.26 20:13:49] jean / rotemgear: (I mean sure, the MP but aside from that)
[2007.03.26 20:13:51] FaeryMegggggg: I sent atleast 10 questions and none got answered
[2007.03.26 20:13:52] i'm sick: And a much, much poorer attitude about the switch!
[2007.03.26 20:13:53] shopaholicchick: i logged it
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[2007.03.26 20:14:02] The_Amazing Shadow: damn I hate needles
[2007.03.26 20:14:09] Bridgett: Jean didyou get an answer?
[2007.03.26 20:14:13] slamdunk: good point jean... I wondered about not being in the 600K
[2007.03.26 20:14:15] absolute cotton: they're not stupid. They KNOW they'll be paying a crapload in unearned affiliate fees. They also know that it'll be offset by the losses in our tier bonuses.
[2007.03.26 20:14:19] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I slammed a dozen at them, including one about losing credibily because of the sudden 180 after so much hype and short notice to us, SDquidoo, and possibly other businesses.
[2007.03.26 20:14:24] MartyCP has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:14:29] FaeryMegggggg: What percentage is 600,000 of all the products on CP?
[2007.03.26 20:14:34] Towal: re the reporting not being sufficient for the "super affiliates" who as far as I am concerned are a myth at this point in time. I said the reports arent' good enough for us either..you know the people that earn you money but now because some mythical people tell you they aren't they aren't good enough you listen?
[2007.03.26 20:14:36] absolute cotton: hey marty
[2007.03.26 20:14:37] jean / rotemgear: Bridge-- not on anything I asked
[2007.03.26 20:14:39] The_Amazing Shadow: Marty saves us with CPShop
[2007.03.26 20:14:40] MartyCP: Hey.
[2007.03.26 20:14:47] Suntop: i have a (male) customer who want to buy a golf shirt or similiar (with open neck/v-neck) ..and it has to be black..he allready sent me the logo he want to use ..and i have looked everywhere but cant find any black v-neck/golfshirt or anything similiar..
[2007.03.26 20:14:48] absolute cotton: how's the cpshop upgrade coming?
[2007.03.26 20:14:53] Suntop: any suggestions ?
[2007.03.26 20:15:00] MartyCP: I think I've got the logic figured out.
[2007.03.26 20:15:01] slamdunk: OH yeah! what happens to our squidoo lens'???
[2007.03.26 20:15:01] Romy: If you had a good affiliate sending customers to your shop, that affiliate could sign up at CJ and continue to link directly to you, right? Assuming they were able to operate a feed or something ...
[2007.03.26 20:15:01] Bridgett: Jean, me either
[2007.03.26 20:15:02] shopaholicchick: abs they are going to lose sales though - because people will enter on shop a - and no longer surf to shop b - because without affiliate linking a ot of people will drop thier intra shop linking
[2007.03.26 20:15:03] jean / rotemgear: suntop go to a local screener
[2007.03.26 20:15:07] MartyCP: I'll be coding it over the next few weeks.
[2007.03.26 20:15:10] foxvox: Go Marty!!!!! :-)
[2007.03.26 20:15:10] shopaholicchick: 25% of my sales come to me from another shop
[2007.03.26 20:15:12] zoescloset: faerymegg, the last comment came from an "ace." but there was no user in the room named "ace."
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[2007.03.26 20:15:17] The_Amazing Shadow: weeks?
[2007.03.26 20:15:17] Shawn - Pristinephoto: I'm still unclear about linking to our shops externally.. maybe marty can answer this question since I know he has a clue... heheh
[2007.03.26 20:15:18] Towal: Well Faery..I would dare say 600,000 is a VERY small percentage because ONE of my stores has 200,000 products in it
[2007.03.26 20:15:24] FaeryMegggggg: whooooa slow down
[2007.03.26 20:15:25] shopaholicchick: i am estimating i will lose almost all of those
[2007.03.26 20:15:31] SagArt: MartyCP, please tell us this is a bad April Fools day joke!
[2007.03.26 20:15:35] i'm sick: I wondered about Squidoo, too.
[2007.03.26 20:15:39] Bridgett: Jean, here's Marty, maybe he can answer your SSI question from last night
[2007.03.26 20:15:48] FaeryMegggggg: weeeird Zoes
[2007.03.26 20:15:51] givitup: Now we will probably really have tag spam from people who want to be in the top 600,000! Won't be me tho- I don't do well in the market place - my store hits come from SEO, blogs and ads straight to me
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[2007.03.26 20:15:56] Jolent: Marty, I've been planning on getting cpshop....maybe I should wait til you do your recoding? :-D
[2007.03.26 20:16:05] Suntop: jean / rotemgear: local what? ..sorry ..english isnt my mother language..im norwegian :-c
[2007.03.26 20:16:15] absolute cotton: a sale is a sale, givitup... the list is "bestsellers"
[2007.03.26 20:16:21] The_Amazing Shadow: CPShop upgrades are free :)
[2007.03.26 20:16:22] MartyCP: Honestly, folks -- I wish we could talk about this stuff in person. I think there's just sooo much misunderstanding about the whole thing -- kinda unavoidable when people do business virtually.
[2007.03.26 20:16:35] Jolent: What happens in cpshop if you handpick designs from the marketplace that are not in the popular 600K?
[2007.03.26 20:16:36] FaeryMegggggg: well I def. won't be in the 600k
[2007.03.26 20:16:44] MartyCP: Oh, you can get it whenever. Shadow's correct -- upgrades are whenever.
[2007.03.26 20:16:45] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": www.squidoo.com/tshirtbusiness has some links, and one may have the shirt you're looking for,Suntop
[2007.03.26 20:16:45] jean / rotemgear: SuntOp is CP does have the kind of shirt you need , you might have to go to a local silk screener or some other online company
[2007.03.26 20:16:56] UncleFrog: If they are only feeding the top 600,000 ... doesn't this tilt the marketplace to a broad topic design? Yet we've been told to focus on niches. Hmmmm.
[2007.03.26 20:16:59] foxvox: If we could all sit down with some REAL cookies... ;-)
[2007.03.26 20:17:01] SagArt: Marty I've had CJ experience, bad real bad
[2007.03.26 20:17:02] Shawn - Pristinephoto: Marty is it true that we cannot link to our own shops and set a cookie or can we? We all understand we wont get commissions on our own stuff.. what we are concerned with is linking to our own shops from offsite and having customers end up in another shop purchasing stuff.. if we can't set the cookie, we are being penalized for being shopkeepers.. lol
[2007.03.26 20:17:06] MartyCP: Everyone's making a big deal about this 600K number. Don't. If you're in the marketplace, you're eligible.
[2007.03.26 20:17:18] The_Amazing Shadow: I just want teh ability to set a cookie when I direct traffic externally to CP, whether it's my shop or not
[2007.03.26 20:17:20] maryo has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:17:25] Romy: LOL Foxvox!
[2007.03.26 20:17:31] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Like I said, I get the distinct feeling that we SK are not wanted as affiliates
[2007.03.26 20:17:38] MartyCP: I'm going to try to answer questions if I can, but man, you guys type fast. :)
[2007.03.26 20:17:40] absolute cotton: datafeeds are available to large cj affiliates, frog. it doesn't affect portal or individual product (or shop) affiliation.
[2007.03.26 20:17:47] Hannah: Yeah _ I got it that the 600 K is only a feed thing - in the marketplace all is up for grabs equally
[2007.03.26 20:17:51] shopaholicchick: marty - 25% of my sales come from other shopkeepers who link to me - if they no longer to me thats 25% of my sales gone!!!!!
[2007.03.26 20:17:52] Towal: isn't the 600k thing a special feed or something?
[2007.03.26 20:17:54] FaeryMegggggg: SIGH
[2007.03.26 20:17:55] SagArt: but 600,000 leaves a lot of people out!
[2007.03.26 20:17:56] Hannah: that just gets down to image tagging
[2007.03.26 20:18:04] i'm sick: Marty - what's to not understand? You're point blank telling us we can't affiliate CP from within CP. I hardly have enough time to maintain my store as it is. I don't have time to create and update a separate website, too!
[2007.03.26 20:18:17] The_Amazing Shadow: if everyone can opt out of the marketplace... I would really appreciate it
[2007.03.26 20:18:27] jean / rotemgear: yes its a feed for CJ affiliates, right?
[2007.03.26 20:18:29] Suntop: jean / rotemgear: and i can sell clothes i find other places on my cafepress shop ?
[2007.03.26 20:18:29] Hannah: 600 is just a special feed - no telling whether it will be popular with affiliates or not
[2007.03.26 20:18:35] Towal: lol shadow
[2007.03.26 20:18:36] shopaholicchick: shadow if you opt out the rest of us might have a chance!!!
[2007.03.26 20:18:37] Jolent: LOL amazing shadow
[2007.03.26 20:18:38] jean / rotemgear: suntop -- no
[2007.03.26 20:18:39] Hannah: they will certainly have other options than that feed
[2007.03.26 20:18:49] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": And, as I pointed out, Zazzle DOES use CJ and DOES allow us to link to our own stores for affiliate $$
[2007.03.26 20:18:50] MartyCP: Man. I can't keep up with the stream of questions here.
[2007.03.26 20:18:55] absolute cotton: I'm sick: if you bought marty's cpshop script, you'd be offsite in minutes :)
[2007.03.26 20:19:00] maryo: You know I wasn't thrilled but I was doing relatively OK with the whole CJ thing. I wasn't happy it was CJ - but oh well. But the chat really pissed me off. It seemed very condescending.
[2007.03.26 20:19:09] shopaholicchick: <~~seriously thinking of moving to zazzle
[2007.03.26 20:19:15] foxvox: Marty - you're very brave, but can only type so fast. :-D
[2007.03.26 20:19:23] The_Amazing Shadow: <--- thinking of moving to Texas
[2007.03.26 20:19:24] Towal: guys. Give Marty a chance to type stuff to us here :)
[2007.03.26 20:19:26] Dooni Designs has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 20:19:28] G guy: Marty, you should have brought a lunch. ;)
[2007.03.26 20:19:29] blonde_designs has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:19:29] Suntop: oh..you mean i have to open a shop there too ?
[2007.03.26 20:19:33] jean / rotemgear: marty will you be making a prinfectionshop script? ;) (j/k)
[2007.03.26 20:19:35] kiwi: come on down Shadow.
[2007.03.26 20:19:36] slamdunk: shop... we're on zazzle, but they seriously don't get as much traffic
[2007.03.26 20:19:42] FaeryMegggggg: Marty, you're like Harrison Ford in the cave of snakes. *big eyes*
[2007.03.26 20:19:42] ppix1: I just appreciate Marty sticking around!
[2007.03.26 20:19:50] slamdunk: as soon as we joined CP, our sales increased rapidly
[2007.03.26 20:19:51] shopaholicchick: suntop - cafepress is a printer - you make a design they print it for you on the products that they offer
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[2007.03.26 20:19:53] i'm sick: I think Zazzle sucks, personally. It takes even longer to create products over there.
[2007.03.26 20:19:56] MartyCP: First thing: we've only got 600K products in the feed because that's all CJ could support.
[2007.03.26 20:19:56] jean / rotemgear: lunch? he should have brought a bottle of vodka!
[2007.03.26 20:19:58] ppix1: Everybody ran like the dickens after chat!
[2007.03.26 20:20:07] shopaholicchick: io;m zazzle is not telling us to grab our ankles right now
[2007.03.26 20:20:13] The_Amazing Shadow: Only one bottel?
[2007.03.26 20:20:13] JaNell DBA "JaZilla" whispers to shopaholicchick: Try Zazzle - hell, try 'em all: www.squidoo.com/tshirtbusiness
[2007.03.26 20:20:16] MartyCP: We told them we wanted to put in all out products. They asked how many. We told them. They started choking.
[2007.03.26 20:20:17] The_Amazing Shadow: bottle?
[2007.03.26 20:20:23] Suntop: shopaholicchick, i have the logo ..just need a shirt with open neck in black...humz
[2007.03.26 20:20:29] blonde_designs: did someone say VODKA?
[2007.03.26 20:20:43] FaeryMegggggg: like the black v-neck?
[2007.03.26 20:20:50] MartyCP: The mass departure was due to the bridges. A lot of people carpool -- they had people waiting for them at 5.
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[2007.03.26 20:20:54] givitup: Marty, will you sort out all the duplicates in the marketplace?
[2007.03.26 20:20:56] shopaholicchick: sun if that is all you want you can do it via the creat your own
[2007.03.26 20:20:59] absolute cotton: just eliminate the copycats... that outta get the product count down to... what? maybe 50?
[2007.03.26 20:21:01] Towal: I'm sorry but I have to laugh at the irony of the 'biggest and best' only being able to handle 600k products. I'm suddenly FILLED with confidence ;)
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[2007.03.26 20:21:07] Bridgett: So Marty, they aren't as big and tough as they let on to be, huh?
[2007.03.26 20:21:20] MartyCP: It's not so much what they can deal with.
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[2007.03.26 20:21:25] maryo: Well it's hard to know how many affiliates will use the data feed. I wonder if Cafepress has considered doing niche market data feeds? I understand there are product number limitations.
[2007.03.26 20:21:34] slamdunk: good point towal
[2007.03.26 20:21:36] shopaholicchick: my 1 shop alone is over 200,000
[2007.03.26 20:21:39] Romy sent a picture:
[2007.03.26 20:21:53] blonde_designs: lol
[2007.03.26 20:21:54] MartyCP: It's what the affiliates say they can deal with. Downloading 50-75 million products worth of data is really, really difficult.
[2007.03.26 20:21:59] foxvox: Niche market data feeds! That's an intriguing idea, Mary!
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[2007.03.26 20:22:06] The_Amazing Shadow: great idea Mary
[2007.03.26 20:22:07] SagArt: roomy pass the bottle this way please
[2007.03.26 20:22:23] jean / rotemgear: yeah good idea, mary
[2007.03.26 20:22:28] FaeryMegggggg: I still want my WIldberry Margarita.
[2007.03.26 20:22:29] jean / rotemgear: hey thats not vodka
[2007.03.26 20:22:30] slamdunk: sag... don't hog the bottle :)
[2007.03.26 20:22:32] jean / rotemgear: but it will do
[2007.03.26 20:22:36] maryo: The data feeds aren't free on CJ - unless you make over $10,000 a month, so not everyone is going to use them.
[2007.03.26 20:22:44] MartyCP: That's my point.
[2007.03.26 20:22:50] ShelfLife: Will CJ Affiliates be able to make "niche market" feeds with the XML feed?
[2007.03.26 20:22:52] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": So why didn't CP attend EComXPo if they're looking for "superaffiliates", Marty?
[2007.03.26 20:22:56] Suntop: shopaholicchick, well..i tried but failed...i dont get it :(
[2007.03.26 20:23:00] SagArt: yeah, last time i checked the data feed was about $200
[2007.03.26 20:23:08] Romy: Sorry, it's just not BIG enough! lol
[2007.03.26 20:23:12] The_Amazing Shadow: ouch@$200
[2007.03.26 20:23:13] shopaholicchick: sun this is not the place for step by step direction try clicking help
[2007.03.26 20:23:15] MartyCP: We didn't find that out (CJ datafeed fee) until recently. It was very, very disappointing.
[2007.03.26 20:23:16] Bridgett: Marty, so who is the contact at CP for the Affiliate Program?
[2007.03.26 20:23:22] The_Amazing Shadow: thats a few days of Carl's returns
[2007.03.26 20:23:28] FaeryMegggggg: Boy, I feel sick everytime I think about those parasites. Maybe I shouldn't be drinking right now.
[2007.03.26 20:23:42] foxvox: CP Affiliate people are Shelby and Warren I believe.
[2007.03.26 20:23:43] shopaholicchick: well marty maybe you should have dropped them when you found out amoved on
[2007.03.26 20:23:44] MartyCP: We're hoping to figure out a better datafeed solution. Until then, there's still the XML feed (renamed "Product Catalog," I think).
[2007.03.26 20:23:45] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": LOL, Marty, *I* knew that, and I'm not even a "superaffiliate"!
[2007.03.26 20:23:52] shopaholicchick: because your basically telling us little guys who dont make that much
[2007.03.26 20:23:55] shopaholicchick: to bend over
[2007.03.26 20:24:08] slamdunk: I don't get what parasites are? brief summary?
[2007.03.26 20:24:12] FaeryMegggggg: Shop- what's with you and bending over?
[2007.03.26 20:24:16] shopaholicchick: it sounds like you did NOT do your research very well!!!
[2007.03.26 20:24:18] The_Amazing Shadow: Maybe I should send Shelby an email
[2007.03.26 20:24:21] ameriyank: If CJ can't handle CP feeds, why dump the existing CP affialite program now? Why not wait till CJ gets its stuff togehter to accomodate us?
[2007.03.26 20:24:24] FaeryMegggggg: ;)
[2007.03.26 20:24:29] blonde_designs: dear god I seriously am gonna need help w/all this new stuff
[2007.03.26 20:24:31] Towal: um shouldn't that datafeed cost thing be something you knew about BEFORE signing the contact. Marty I love you..I really do, but none of this nor the chat before it is giving me warm fuzzies :(
[2007.03.26 20:24:35] shopaholicchick: faery because i feel like im being screwed
[2007.03.26 20:24:46] ameriyank: me too Shopaholicchick
[2007.03.26 20:24:47] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Shop - 100% agreement there. Some city slicker done sold 'em a pig in a poke.
[2007.03.26 20:24:48] i'm sick: Marty - so what about options like the CP (affiliate) search box we currently have. Will we still have something like that?
[2007.03.26 20:25:00] ameriyank: and I have always been on CPs side before, now I feel betrayed
[2007.03.26 20:25:01] jean / rotemgear: we all love marty!
[2007.03.26 20:25:03] Suntop: do i have to have a premium shop to use other clothing?
[2007.03.26 20:25:04] FaeryMegggggg: Well, you don't need to bend over for that.
[2007.03.26 20:25:05] shopaholicchick: sick it will be there - but you wont get credit for anyone you send out
[2007.03.26 20:25:13] The_Amazing Shadow: Marty for President!
[2007.03.26 20:25:16] shopaholicchick: faery to get it this bad you do
[2007.03.26 20:25:16] foxvox: Maybe some wonderful 3rd party tools will be built to support CJ with the XML feed, then we can really play.
[2007.03.26 20:25:28] slamdunk: what's a parasite? how do we protect ourselves?
[2007.03.26 20:25:31] i'm sick: but CJ won't have anything similar to the search box?
[2007.03.26 20:25:38] MartyCP: Parasites. Let's deal with that right now.
[2007.03.26 20:25:41] jean / rotemgear: Suntop -- sorry, you arrived in the middle of a specific business topic . Have you tried the CP Forums?
[2007.03.26 20:25:42] absolute cotton: I wouldn't use the datafeed anyway. I'd hand-pick what products I wanted to affiliate. I think most of us aren't automatically generating mega affiliate pages. but for those that do, it's important to be in the top 600K
[2007.03.26 20:25:49] FaeryMegggggg: Maybe we need some Yoga.
[2007.03.26 20:25:57] foxvox: A parasite is basically something that overwrites cookies with their own, I believe.
[2007.03.26 20:26:01] blonde_designs: i think i really need that vodka now
[2007.03.26 20:26:01] Suntop: not yet..
[2007.03.26 20:26:02] blonde_designs: :x
[2007.03.26 20:26:16] ShelfLife: CJ does have the ability for merchants to have search box links -- having them is up to CP
[2007.03.26 20:26:18] Hannah: I won't need any help now. I've got the picture that I can't be both an affiliate and a shop owner. Because I can't imagine any links direct to the marketplace that I WANT to link to that don't have a good number of my products showing. And DUH - if I'mn better than an half assed designer people will buy them
[2007.03.26 20:26:20] shopaholicchick: faery there is not enuf yoga in the world - i am basically about to lose 25% of my sales
[2007.03.26 20:26:21] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Hand picking - that's about seven steps on CJ instead of two on the current system.
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[2007.03.26 20:26:59] MartyCP: A parasite is some kind of software that looks for affiliate cookies on a person's computer, and overwrites them with somebody else's (presumably the parasite's creator).
[2007.03.26 20:27:00] FaeryMegggggg: You're right. Lets stick to perscription drugs.
[2007.03.26 20:27:03] jean / rotemgear: guys lets let Marty talk
[2007.03.26 20:27:09] Towal: Marty can you change your text color so you stand out in the masses a bit per chance?
[2007.03.26 20:27:15] absolute cotton: I know, janelle. But such is the PITA this crap sammich is lying on.
[2007.03.26 20:27:20] Hannah: Even if I just point to the marketplace any links that I create had better result in more than just occasional sales of my stuff or I'm really cranking out crap.
[2007.03.26 20:27:21] SagArt: Parasites, yeah let's talk about 2000 - 2001 - 2002 -2003 - long history Marty and documented too.
[2007.03.26 20:27:22] slamdunk: how do they do it? can we prevent it?
[2007.03.26 20:27:26] maryo: Hannah, Warren did say they could make exceptions. That's a concern of mine too, and their answer was very vague.
[2007.03.26 20:27:32] Hannah: Yes
[2007.03.26 20:27:39] Hannah: it was too vague
[2007.03.26 20:27:45] MartyCP: Uh...how do you change font color?
[2007.03.26 20:27:56] shopaholicchick: marty we cant
[2007.03.26 20:28:04] MartyCP: Oh. Then no, I guess I can't.
[2007.03.26 20:28:04] SagArt: just click on the big A
[2007.03.26 20:28:05] shopaholicchick: you can bold and italics
[2007.03.26 20:28:06] Hannah: and the fact it was vague even though asked several times was all it took for me to understand it wasn't going to get better
[2007.03.26 20:28:11] The_Amazing Shadow: The problem is I don't think they thought that far ahead
[2007.03.26 20:28:15] MartyCP: Is this better?
[2007.03.26 20:28:17] shopaholicchick: no the big a lets your draw
[2007.03.26 20:28:18] jean / rotemgear: yes
[2007.03.26 20:28:19] foxvox: Better!!
[2007.03.26 20:28:22] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Absolute Cotton - those handpicked links, though, build SEO.
[2007.03.26 20:28:25] maryo: thanks Marty
[2007.03.26 20:28:25] Towal: yes thanks :)
[2007.03.26 20:28:26] SagArt: great
[2007.03.26 20:28:33] Sherry: Marty -Change font color in Preferences- upper right
[2007.03.26 20:28:46] absolute cotton: the "exceptions" issue is bogus, in my opinion. If I'm sending traffic I paid for to cp, I'm going to set a cookie... just like the "real" affiliates.
[2007.03.26 20:28:47] jean / rotemgear: or get an avatar
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[2007.03.26 20:28:58] The_Amazing Shadow: agreed cotton
[2007.03.26 20:29:06] Jolent: Click on the big A then on the black box
[2007.03.26 20:29:08] MartyCP: I set it to green...
[2007.03.26 20:29:13] MartyCP: Cool. :)
[2007.03.26 20:29:14] Jolent: sweet
[2007.03.26 20:29:16] maryo: lol lime green I see
[2007.03.26 20:29:17] Towal: of course you did :P
[2007.03.26 20:29:18] SagArt: cool
[2007.03.26 20:29:22] absolute cotton: I'll have a shop opted out, like shadow suggested. everything in my cpshop will set a cookie, and the tos won't be violated
[2007.03.26 20:29:23] Sherry: CP green!
[2007.03.26 20:29:23] jean / rotemgear: Kiwi!
[2007.03.26 20:29:26] Towal: much easier to pick you out now..thanks
[2007.03.26 20:29:29] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Marty, why can't CP talk to use in basic sentences instead of repeating jargon? I mean, how much did they pay someone to come up with "core competency"?
[2007.03.26 20:29:42] The_Amazing Shadow: Even with that Carl, I still want my cookie
[2007.03.26 20:29:44] kiwi: yes, hello?
[2007.03.26 20:29:53] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": It was like having the change explained by Geaorge bush!
[2007.03.26 20:29:53] Hannah: LOL we use core competency in our office
[2007.03.26 20:29:57] maryo: Um, Marty doesn't control how people speak.
[2007.03.26 20:30:06] FaeryMegggggg: ok lets focus
[2007.03.26 20:30:07] SagArt: who is responsible for this idea is what I want to know?
[2007.03.26 20:30:07] jean / rotemgear: lol, i knew tht would hapen the minute I typed "kiwi" -- its a green joke
[2007.03.26 20:30:13] maryo: Jill came up with the maketing gibberish on her own.
[2007.03.26 20:30:14] Sherry: Can't wait to see Jean's Core Competency Shirt^.^
[2007.03.26 20:30:17] Karyn has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:30:21] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": But he may know why it's so condescending, mary.
[2007.03.26 20:30:24] shopaholicchick: yeah and where do we mail the ..................
[2007.03.26 20:30:25] jean / rotemgear: SHerry, how did you know?
[2007.03.26 20:30:28] kiwi: kiwi green is good :)
[2007.03.26 20:30:31] blonde_designs: yaayyy
[2007.03.26 20:30:38] KellKell @ SpiritKeep: Sooo... has anyone torn down their CP affiliate links yet? :-D
[2007.03.26 20:30:47] slamdunk: why not wait till end of may?
[2007.03.26 20:30:49] shopaholicchick: kell mine will drop on 5/31
[2007.03.26 20:30:53] SagArt: beginning to dismantle mine now
[2007.03.26 20:30:53] The_Amazing Shadow: Eureka....idea Carl. If we send links to our opted out shop...is that allowed since there is no affiliate commission to be had?
[2007.03.26 20:30:54] Hannah: I got my game plan
[2007.03.26 20:30:56] blonde_designs: yea i'll wait till the end
[2007.03.26 20:30:57] UncleFrog: end of May
[2007.03.26 20:30:58] Hannah: No CJ
[2007.03.26 20:30:59] MartyCP: I know the language seems foreign, but it's very, very standard terminology in Silicon Valley, and how most .com companies talk. I think the problem is that everyone's used to me, Angela and Maheesh.
[2007.03.26 20:31:01] FaeryMegggggg: I took down my affiliate page on my store
[2007.03.26 20:31:03] absolute cotton: mine will be up until I change them over on the tenth
[2007.03.26 20:31:15] Jolent: I think I'd have to eliminate a complete premium shop just to tear down links :')
[2007.03.26 20:31:18] shopaholicchick: marty the problem is we are humans - not technogeeks
[2007.03.26 20:31:19] Hannah: more baskets
[2007.03.26 20:31:21] jean / rotemgear: wehn we have chats, plain english whould be used
[2007.03.26 20:31:24] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Hey, hey, DIBS on "C A U T I O N: Core Competency AT Work
[2007.03.26 20:31:25] kippy: that's because you talk like real people, not in marketing gibberish
[2007.03.26 20:31:26] jean / rotemgear: should :D
[2007.03.26 20:31:35] G guy: If you set a cookie to your own shop, you don't get a commission, CP doesn't have to pay it since you can't use your own. BUT... CJ gets their cut so CP loses the 5%.
[2007.03.26 20:31:36] maryo: Oh Marty, that's not from silicon valley, that's from Marketing School 101.
[2007.03.26 20:31:37] jean / rotemgear: lol jazilla
[2007.03.26 20:31:47] ppix1: Shadow, that's just what I was thinking!
[2007.03.26 20:31:52] Hannah: Nothing against CP but I'm going to work on being my own competitor
[2007.03.26 20:31:53] SagArt: I've got 50+ shops to tear up. two months ought to do it - right???
[2007.03.26 20:32:08] shopaholicchick: sag have fun
[2007.03.26 20:32:09] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I can talk marketing gibberiish, Kippy, but only if I'm trying to sell something, not when working with business partners
[2007.03.26 20:32:09] maryo: There's nothing technical about it - it is speech that is designed to be vague and noncommital.
[2007.03.26 20:32:25] Hannah has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 20:32:29] The_Amazing Shadow: woohoo I think I have a complete battle plan.... if CP can give me copy sections.....
[2007.03.26 20:32:38] jean / rotemgear: yes we really didn;t need S.M.A.R.T. either :D
[2007.03.26 20:32:40] absolute cotton: The problem, marty - is that we feel the cp community has abandoned us. The community (for most of us) INCLUDED cp management and employees. The new buzz-speak alienates and removes the comfy cozy community feeling
[2007.03.26 20:32:41] ameriyank: sag, you didn't want to sleep for 2 months anyway, did you?
[2007.03.26 20:32:46] kippy: haha yes, and marketing gibberish can also be very good when you want to come across as incredibly condescending.
[2007.03.26 20:32:48] Jolent: I wonder if CP will reimburse all the SK's who bought extra premium shops just for affiliate linking?
[2007.03.26 20:32:49] givitup: Hannah, how do you mean?
[2007.03.26 20:33:01] SagArt: I may drink for two months!
[2007.03.26 20:33:01] shopaholicchick: <~~~in the middle of trying to make enough for my tuition so i dont have to drop out of school - and not i feel like CP is trying to sabatoge me and everyone else
[2007.03.26 20:33:04] MartyCP: Folks, I can't even read this fast.
[2007.03.26 20:33:09] kiwi: Marty, can you go back to explaining about the parasites? Can we kill them?
[2007.03.26 20:33:11] The_Amazing Shadow: brb
[2007.03.26 20:33:30] Towal: just type on Marty..someone will ask the same thing again and you can catch it the next time though :)
[2007.03.26 20:33:33] absolute cotton: I'll type more slowly.
[2007.03.26 20:33:37] i'm sick: I think this could be asking for a lot more cases of people ripping off other people's designs. I know for a fact that some people affiliate link to my designs rather than creating their own knock-offs. If they aren't allowed to do that anymore, they'll likely just give up and create the knock-offs.
[2007.03.26 20:33:47] slamdunk: mmmm... hubby just brought me hot cocoa with Bailey's :)
[2007.03.26 20:33:48] shopaholicchick: kiwi a parasite is basically a program that goes in and overwrites the cookies in peoples computers and set them to thier own - and no you cant get rid of it because you never catch it
[2007.03.26 20:33:49] ameriyank: mary Cotton said EXACTLY how I feel. Abvandoned by CP in favor of their own profits and to hell with me who helped build them too!
[2007.03.26 20:33:51] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": OMG. S.M.A.R.T. had me in stitches - Get S.M.A.R.T - I want my shoe phone now.
[2007.03.26 20:33:56] SagArt: Whomever made this decision has the wheels turning upstairs but the hamster's dead!
[2007.03.26 20:34:22] shopaholicchick: i want to know who they sent those affiliate sueationaris to - because i never got one
[2007.03.26 20:34:25] Jolent: LOL SagArt
[2007.03.26 20:34:26] kiwi: shoe phone's all around! LOL!!!
[2007.03.26 20:34:27] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": But Sag, if they make up fancy jargon, everyone will assume the hamster still breathes.
[2007.03.26 20:34:42] CobraA1: So far, I have made no profits from the old affiliate program, I look forward to seeing if I'll make any from this new one.
[2007.03.26 20:34:43] blonde_designs: i never got one either shopa
[2007.03.26 20:34:48] SagArt: that sucker is dead and stinkin!
[2007.03.26 20:34:54] absolute cotton: I'm guessing it's not her core competency, Sag... even tho she's done it all of her life.
[2007.03.26 20:34:55] Towal: I didn't get a survey either
[2007.03.26 20:34:56] UncleFrog: and keep in mind, CP is only pissing off 1/4% of us MAX
[2007.03.26 20:34:57] FaeryMegggggg: I don't recall signing up to the affiliate program and seeing anything about it being in a trial run. I must have missed something cause I came in after it was created.
[2007.03.26 20:34:58] shopaholicchick: i feel like they are just doing what every they want and making up numbers to cover themselves
[2007.03.26 20:35:09] SagArt: no survey here either
[2007.03.26 20:35:09] MartyCP: The thing about parasites -- it's one of those problems that used to be enormous, and is a lot less so now, but the reputation lives on. They still exist, but I think the legend of parasites is a lot bigger than the reality. I mean, has anyone here ever experienced parasite behavior personally? I haven't.
[2007.03.26 20:35:20] jean / rotemgear: if you missed the shoe phone, h ere ya go .. http://www.rotemgear.com/smart.png
[2007.03.26 20:35:20] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": How can a memeber of the "Affiliate Team" ask what "set a cookie" means?!
[2007.03.26 20:35:25] ameriyank: so if 1/4 of 1% get pissed and close their shops, why should CP care?
[2007.03.26 20:35:31] absolute cotton: you don't belong to mypoints.com, do you marty?
[2007.03.26 20:35:35] SagArt: oh yes, we experienced it for sure
[2007.03.26 20:35:38] shopaholicchick: sag no one in chat got it - yet they claim only 35% of people responded something tells me it was not sent our to everyone
[2007.03.26 20:35:42] FaeryMegggggg: Yes!
[2007.03.26 20:35:42] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Sur-vey?
[2007.03.26 20:35:45] MartyCP: Actually, JaNell, I read your question too, and I wasn't sure what you were asking.
[2007.03.26 20:35:46] jean / rotemgear: marty, I think many former CJ-affiliates have expereinced it and they are concerned
[2007.03.26 20:36:08] shopaholicchick: they said it was done by surveymonkey - which means it went to everyone spam box
[2007.03.26 20:36:23] khorah: I never got a survey either...maybe that's why they only think its' !/4 of the SK's cos" that's all they sent it to:-(
[2007.03.26 20:36:23] ShelfLife: "set a cookie" TO be fair, I think she was asking "how are you setting the cookie" -- it wasn't clear to me either... if I recall correctly,
[2007.03.26 20:36:30] FaeryMegggggg: Remember how not everyone gets the CP e-mails...I didn't get them and had to open a gmail account in order to get emails from CP. How many other people have had the same problem?
[2007.03.26 20:36:32] shopaholicchick: and since CP never sent a notice that it was coming no one knew to look for it
[2007.03.26 20:36:39] CobraA1: We were supposed to receive a survey?
[2007.03.26 20:36:40] ameriyank: If I could push a button and move all my designs to rpintfection.com I would. But it has taken me 5 years to build what I have at CP and they have me by the shiort-hairs and they know it.
[2007.03.26 20:36:42] maryo: Well I usually get the surveys and I don't remember getting it. But who knows I might have just forgot.
[2007.03.26 20:36:43] shopaholicchick: yeah dooni cant get them on aol
[2007.03.26 20:36:48] shopaholicchick: i couldnt get them on aol
[2007.03.26 20:36:51] shopaholicchick: i had to sw5itch to yahoo
[2007.03.26 20:37:12] G guy: I think someone wrote the survey and forgot to hit send.
[2007.03.26 20:37:17] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": WHICH question - I slammed out quite a few. And bear in mind, I am a CJ affiliate, but I'm not happy about how this was handled.
[2007.03.26 20:37:22] Shawn - Pristinephoto: how would you know if you have been affected in someway by a parasite Marty? It happens on the shoppers machine.
[2007.03.26 20:37:29] ppix1: I got the survey. The link didn't work for days, so I deleted it.
[2007.03.26 20:37:30] The_Amazing Shadow: I think I will start a petition for copy sections
[2007.03.26 20:37:36] SagArt: Jeeze, PF was full of people migrating over today.
[2007.03.26 20:37:39] i'm sick: I got the survey...and if I'd known what it was REALLY for, I might have answered things differently. ;)
[2007.03.26 20:37:46] FaeryMegggggg: LOL ppix Sounds about right
[2007.03.26 20:37:51] shopaholicchick: shadow i will sign that
[2007.03.26 20:38:05] The_Amazing Shadow: i need it for my plan :)
[2007.03.26 20:38:11] kippy: I'm with Jean... when's the PF script coming out, Marty? ;)
[2007.03.26 20:38:12] shopaholicchick: lol shadow
[2007.03.26 20:38:13] FaeryMegggggg: of WORLD DOMINATION?
[2007.03.26 20:38:19] SagArt: will sign it shadow
[2007.03.26 20:38:19] kiwi: I hate it when companies do a "survey" and think they have the answers! You have to actually talk to people!!! Data can be manipulated to say whatever you want it to say.
[2007.03.26 20:38:22] ameriyank: Sag--how easy is it to migrate your designs to prinfection? Takes me about 30 to 60 minutes to do ONE design
[2007.03.26 20:38:34] The_Amazing Shadow: I don't wanna dominate the world...thats Kayecee
[2007.03.26 20:38:51] shopaholicchick: i had serious issues with PF i wil NEVER go back tot hem
[2007.03.26 20:38:54] FaeryMegggggg: Okay Pinky
[2007.03.26 20:38:57] SagArt: No to bad, but not as easy as CP. Takes time to learn the process.
[2007.03.26 20:39:16] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": The answer to parasies is... BUY MACS! Through one of my affiliate links, of course. And you squidoo people go vote for my lens www.squidoo.com/coffeeshopoffice as lens of the year, which, btw, has some nice Mac laptops featured on it. <---Stupor affiliate!
[2007.03.26 20:39:17] absolute cotton: printperfection isn't really an option for me. been there, done that. it's very amateurish in my opinion.
[2007.03.26 20:39:18] Bridgett: Oh, well, night folks. This may have been a tough decision for the powers that be at CP, but it sure does look like they really and truly to give a whit about those of us peons just getting by
[2007.03.26 20:39:23] Jolent: How bad shopaholicchic?
[2007.03.26 20:39:26] ameriyank: Shop, printfection is still the easiest of all the others to use. Zazzle stinks and spreadshirt takes l;onger
[2007.03.26 20:39:26] kiwi: We want copy sections, we want copy sections. I'm sure they'll listen to us - we are the 0.25%!!!
[2007.03.26 20:39:29] BWS has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:39:30] Towal: that is the first I've heard of anyone not liking PF..what were the reasons?
[2007.03.26 20:39:35] shopaholicchick: i had to threaten to get a lawyer involved to get my stuff off their site
[2007.03.26 20:39:38] maryo: Well personally, I'm certainly not closing my shops on CP and I will give CJ a try though I have grave misgivings. But my affiliate income is pretty good and I would hate to give it up. So my philosophy is wait and see.
[2007.03.26 20:39:44] FaeryMegggggg: How can a MAC stop a parasite?
[2007.03.26 20:39:48] foxvox: Marty? You still here? ;-)
[2007.03.26 20:39:48] Bridgett: Towal, I went over there and was not impressed with them at all
[2007.03.26 20:39:59] maryo: Luckily I have cpshop and the amazing Marty to make the transition a whole lot easier. D
[2007.03.26 20:40:04] Adam has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:40:06] ShelfLife has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 20:40:07] i'm sick: ugh, i hate spreadshop, too
[2007.03.26 20:40:08] UncleFrog: Maybe the announcement should have been phrased "We can't keep up with the affiliate program, so we need to discontinue it. Oh, and we have found a replacement that can be a viable option."
[2007.03.26 20:40:10] The_Amazing Shadow: I love CP... I don't want to go anywhere else
[2007.03.26 20:40:11] absolute cotton: the marketplace and pages looked like a third grader put them together... of course - so do most of the cp templates
[2007.03.26 20:40:12] jean / rotemgear: i know I started the joke about PF but I think we may be overstepping here ... so maybe we should go back to the issue at hand
[2007.03.26 20:40:12] ameriyank: Cotton, prinfection has improved a lot. I tried it ayear ago and hated it. Tried it recently and it has improved
[2007.03.26 20:40:13] MartyCP: I'm still here.
[2007.03.26 20:40:14] BWS: I'm with Maryo on those last two points :)
[2007.03.26 20:40:15] shopaholicchick: wb adam
[2007.03.26 20:40:17] shopaholicchick: u fall asleep?
[2007.03.26 20:40:25] foxvox: I'm paralleling Mary too. Also feeling lucky to have been building sites with cpshop. ;-)
[2007.03.26 20:40:26] MartyCP: Every time I start answering a question, I see several dozen more fly by.
[2007.03.26 20:40:27] Adam: nope got annoyed
[2007.03.26 20:40:28] Timewarp: PF is slow to add products and there are no bulk tools even for setting the prices of a shop, you must do each item separately...
[2007.03.26 20:40:33] shopaholicchick: i logged it if you want it
[2007.03.26 20:40:47] Jolent: Just answer what you can and ignore the rest of us :P
[2007.03.26 20:40:50] Bridgett: anyhow folks, don't fret too much, what will be will be no matter what, Night Marty, you have a heart of gold for trying to help the SK's out in here by yourself
[2007.03.26 20:40:51] Adam: not really btu thx
[2007.03.26 20:40:59] shopaholicchick: adam - annoyed?? you mean you dont like being told to grab your ankle???
[2007.03.26 20:41:00] Adam: cp have lost it
[2007.03.26 20:41:01] kippy: How about we chill and just let Marty talk then?
[2007.03.26 20:41:10] MartyCP: Personally, I think the biggest problem right now at CP has nothing to do with the Affiliate Program or CJ -- it's all about shop and product management.
[2007.03.26 20:41:12] Towal: Just answer what you can Marty. we appreciate you stepping into the wolves den ;)
[2007.03.26 20:41:19] absolute cotton: yeah, marty - don't worry about answering them all. if it's important, we'll ask it a hundred times
[2007.03.26 20:41:30] MartyCP: Right now it's a hassle. I'm working on ways to completely revamp the management process.
[2007.03.26 20:41:31] givitup: What do you mean by copy sections?
[2007.03.26 20:41:33] shopaholicchick: marty personally i thinkt he problem is CP is throwing away all the inter CP shop-shop traffic they had
[2007.03.26 20:41:35] ameriyank: we love you Marty !
[2007.03.26 20:41:38] Bridgett has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 20:41:38] The_Amazing Shadow: I hope marty didn't have plans for the night
[2007.03.26 20:41:49] Shawn - Pristinephoto: don't forget communications Marty, lately some folks at CP have really dropped the ball there... :(
[2007.03.26 20:41:53] MartyCP: I'd like to address the shop-to-shop thing. That's a valid point.
[2007.03.26 20:41:56] foxvox: Good to hear, Marty!
[2007.03.26 20:41:58] i'm sick: I AGREE WITH SHOP! :)
[2007.03.26 20:42:00] maryo: oh Marty - what you said - it's the programming infrastructure that is the biggest problem
[2007.03.26 20:42:02] shopaholicchick: marty thats 25% of my sales
[2007.03.26 20:42:10] shopaholicchick: i can track that 25% of my sales come from other shops
[2007.03.26 20:42:14] Jolent: yes, Marty....thats where most of us are...shop to shop
[2007.03.26 20:42:24] dooni designs: there will still banner exchanged before the affiliate program tho
[2007.03.26 20:42:24] MartyCP: We, and others, really wanted the affiliate program to solve two problems:
[2007.03.26 20:42:25] shopaholicchick: so that is about 100 ITEMS per month
[2007.03.26 20:42:31] ppix1: Thank you for saying we have a valid point on something!
[2007.03.26 20:42:34] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Faery, hackers don't usually bother writing scripts to hack macs - or send viruses - or parasites - PC are easier and more common.
[2007.03.26 20:42:38] Adam: 1?
[2007.03.26 20:42:40] MartyCP: 1. Allowing outsiders to link to products/marketplace/stores
[2007.03.26 20:42:51] shopaholicchick: adam i am still a little shop rememebr
[2007.03.26 20:42:58] MartyCP: 2. Shopkeepers to monetize traffic they couldn't convert with their own products
[2007.03.26 20:43:03] kiwi: copy section - the ability to click one button and copy a whole section - with teaser, products, descriptions and all into a new section or new shop.
[2007.03.26 20:43:17] shopaholicchick: marty i understand you wanted outside traffic - but now you are losing inner traffic to get outer
[2007.03.26 20:43:18] Adam: will 2 be possiible now then?
[2007.03.26 20:43:29] Shawn - Pristinephoto: the new affiliate team seems to have totally missed that 2 was a goal marty... :(
[2007.03.26 20:43:33] MartyCP: What we found was that we'd built a program that was built mainly for #1, and supported #2.
[2007.03.26 20:43:34] ameriyank: No Adam, 2 will not be [possible
[2007.03.26 20:43:40] shopaholicchick: adam according to the CJ FAQ's we cannot link to CJ links from out CP shops
[2007.03.26 20:43:43] MartyCP: But almost everyone used it for #2, and hardly anyone for #1.
[2007.03.26 20:43:54] Adam: i used it for 1 and not for 2
[2007.03.26 20:43:57] Adam: heh
[2007.03.26 20:44:04] The_Amazing Shadow: I used it for both
[2007.03.26 20:44:05] MartyCP: You were the exception to rule, Adam. Aren't you always?
[2007.03.26 20:44:09] shopaholicchick: i used it for both
[2007.03.26 20:44:15] FaeryMegggggg: Maybe CP didn't focus on advertising the aff. program enough outside of CP.
[2007.03.26 20:44:22] Adam: yep but people like me arent considered lol
[2007.03.26 20:44:24] kiwi: arrrgh! people were just starting to use #1!
[2007.03.26 20:44:25] shopaholicchick: i agree with faery
[2007.03.26 20:44:27] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Both, but mostly 1.
[2007.03.26 20:44:30] ameriyank: so did I but almost all of my affilaite sales came from my shop and not from my web site
[2007.03.26 20:44:36] shopaholicchick: most of us were just starting to understand how to do 1
[2007.03.26 20:44:39] Adam: because we're the minority
[2007.03.26 20:44:41] shopaholicchick: and then you took it away
[2007.03.26 20:44:43] MartyCP: It was a lot more than just focusing on advertising it.
[2007.03.26 20:44:43] Sherry: I think that lots of SK's were just beginning to get that it would be good to have outsiders link
[2007.03.26 20:44:49] Adam: marty i liked how it was waaaah
[2007.03.26 20:44:50] jean / rotemgear: did CP count on us to get the Big Guns to affilaite?
[2007.03.26 20:44:50] FaeryMegggggg: I was just starting to get on the aff. bandwagon now that people were making programs to make the use of it easier.
[2007.03.26 20:45:01] shopaholicchick: maybe if a year ago you explained to us how to use it for 1
[2007.03.26 20:45:02] MartyCP: We spoke to a lot of major affiliates, and they weren't interested because they had to integrate with a one-off system.
[2007.03.26 20:45:04] absolute cotton: shops convert waaaaay better than links, it seems. CP didn't push enough people offsite, apparently. This move has every serious SK looking offsite.
[2007.03.26 20:45:06] shopaholicchick: you would have made a ucess
[2007.03.26 20:45:11] absolute cotton: can i buy stock in marty.net?
[2007.03.26 20:45:12] G guy: I had a bunch of sub affs signed up and more coming. But that ended with the CJ fiasco.
[2007.03.26 20:45:24] Adam: marty why cant you redirect existing cp aff links to cj?
[2007.03.26 20:45:35] jean / rotemgear: whats a one-off system?
[2007.03.26 20:45:37] foxvox: What Adam asked. :)
[2007.03.26 20:45:38] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": It's like the referral program. :(
[2007.03.26 20:45:40] Towal: I might just say that people who aren't ADAM ( ;) ) might have a slightly steeper learning curve and weren't given a fair chance to get to working on 1. yet
[2007.03.26 20:45:42] Adam: that isnt exactly rocket science is it?
[2007.03.26 20:45:43] maryo: cp's inhouse program
[2007.03.26 20:45:47] Adam: and you are a scientist
[2007.03.26 20:45:48] maryo: as opposed to a network
[2007.03.26 20:45:49] shopaholicchick: adam according to the FAQ's we cannot link from CP to CJ
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[2007.03.26 20:46:00] Adam: i know ssssh
[2007.03.26 20:46:09] shopaholicchick: so for people who do not have an offCp site they will have no abaility to affiliate
[2007.03.26 20:46:09] Timewarp: Why CJ instead of another affiliate program with a better rep, does CJ have something unique?
[2007.03.26 20:46:09] foxvox: One off - means an independent system, something that has to be taken into consideration differently than those already in the same network.
[2007.03.26 20:46:10] i'm sick: Yeah, it's my CP shop that gets the hits from search engines...that's where any affiliate traffic could come from...and DOES come from. I have a tiny off-CP site, but I never bother with it, since CP takes up so much of my free time as it is. But my CP shop is always high on the Google results, for example....people will always find that first.
[2007.03.26 20:46:13] Shawn - Pristinephoto: I didn't use it for 2 either.. all my affiliate links were #1.. unfortunately CP kinda promoted and supported people doing #2 even though the affiliate moderators were recommending doing it offsite.. now they rip the rug out from under folks that are doing it that way.. heheh
[2007.03.26 20:46:19] absolute cotton: shopa - he's talking about offsite affiliation and making the transition painless
[2007.03.26 20:46:28] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": We work, use word-of-mouth buzz to get people here, then BAM! our incentive is gone.
[2007.03.26 20:46:32] maryo: Well i think a lot of use who were doing better at the affiliate program we're already using outside websites
[2007.03.26 20:46:38] MartyCP: The other problem with the program: it didn't make us money. Big problem, wouldn't you say?
[2007.03.26 20:46:42] BWS: And yet it was possible to use #2 from outside web sites. That worked GREAT for me.
[2007.03.26 20:46:44] foxvox: Again, what Mary said.
[2007.03.26 20:46:47] shopaholicchick: CP is forcing us to neglect our CP store and work on a third party site
[2007.03.26 20:46:50] slamdunk: so, if I made money in my 4th click shop, and my top site list by linking to other's shops... this shouldn't affect those sales? and can't I still link out frommy CP shop to my own external sites that happen to get CJ comissions?
[2007.03.26 20:46:50] ameriyank: Why doesn't CP keep the in-house affialite program for Premium shops ONLY? Then things can stay as they are for us, who are happy clams. Then outisde CP you would use CJ, and we can get the ecternal AND the internal traffic?
[2007.03.26 20:46:53] Adam: but because you planned it wronly
[2007.03.26 20:46:58] foxvox: Yes, the money thing would be a huge issue, I'd imagine. Heh.
[2007.03.26 20:46:58] Adam: fix it
[2007.03.26 20:46:58] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I made more money than ever.
[2007.03.26 20:47:05] Adam: tell people not to link to others simple
[2007.03.26 20:47:18] Adam: premium shop cookie was bad
[2007.03.26 20:47:19] Shawn - Pristinephoto: is it really losing money or is it just not gaining traffic?
[2007.03.26 20:47:23] Adam: kill that. simple
[2007.03.26 20:47:24] MartyCP: Losing.
[2007.03.26 20:47:25] shopaholicchick: why not let current affiliate keep thiers
[2007.03.26 20:47:26] absolute cotton: I wonder how much of that "lost" money showed up in other places? search engine saturation... cp branding... etc
[2007.03.26 20:47:31] shopaholicchick: why shut it down
[2007.03.26 20:47:51] ameriyank: Yes premuim shop cookie was a bad idea. I always thought so
[2007.03.26 20:47:53] Towal: I didn't make money on my CP shop for the first 3 years. I still stuck with it and gave it a chance
[2007.03.26 20:47:54] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Hey, Marty, not to pick on you, but my question about mixing t-shirt sites on a web page was never answered. Twice.
[2007.03.26 20:47:59] foxvox: Because apparently current affiliate program was LOSING money, it seems.
[2007.03.26 20:47:59] MartyCP: This is why Fred was talking about the "if you have only so much to spend, etc. etc." stuff.
[2007.03.26 20:48:00] ameriyank: But actual LINKS shouls be allowed
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[2007.03.26 20:48:15] The_Amazing Shadow: I think external links should be allowed, even if it's to our shops. Otherwise CP is getting alot of "free" traffic being brought in by Sk's links
[2007.03.26 20:48:25] MartyCP: Sorry, JaNell, stuff is just flying by here.
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[2007.03.26 20:48:33] Adam: so --- why cant dead aff links redirect to workable CJ ones?
[2007.03.26 20:48:40] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Twice in chat, hon. I LIKE you.
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[2007.03.26 20:48:51] Adam: www.cafepress.com?pid=39 ------> qwerty.com?cj=23238219312
[2007.03.26 20:48:55] SagArt: Wait a minute, more business and growth rates high at CP and the affiliate program was losing money?:-o
[2007.03.26 20:49:03] MartyCP: Adam -- I'm working on it. I can promise nothing, but I'm working on it.
[2007.03.26 20:49:09] foxvox: Adam - SEEMS like if we gave CP our CJ acct number, to connect to our PID that MIGHT work - not sure they want to do that though?
[2007.03.26 20:49:09] Adam: THNAK YOU
[2007.03.26 20:49:10] FaeryMegggggg: I don't know. I'm concerned that CP will now be overloaded with affiliate sales. Meaning, that advertising done by SKers will be overidden by CJ and parasite programs.
[2007.03.26 20:49:11] MartyCP: Sag -- yes.
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[2007.03.26 20:49:29] Adam: and i will copy that - with your typo :D :D
[2007.03.26 20:49:32] Towal: soo..a company that was targted to make 50 MILLION DOLLARS last year couldn't have a little faith in thier own program and give it a chance?
[2007.03.26 20:49:34] Adam: lol
[2007.03.26 20:49:37] Adam: sorry it wasnt
[2007.03.26 20:49:41] absolute cotton: amen to shadow. it's my traffic. i paid for it. if one of my customers clicks a forced marketplace link from the cart, i'd like to be reimbursed for my expenses.
[2007.03.26 20:49:44] blonde_designs: welcome babes!
[2007.03.26 20:49:51] dreamup: thanks
[2007.03.26 20:50:02] Adam: ok next question...
[2007.03.26 20:50:03] ameriyank: I have to go, damn. See you all !
[2007.03.26 20:50:04] G guy: So they know the growth wasn't do to the aff prog how?
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[2007.03.26 20:50:11] Adam: we'll be able to do advanced linking yeah?
[2007.03.26 20:50:14] slamdunk: (repeat question) so, if I made money in my 4th click shop, and my top site list by linking to other's shops... this shouldn't affect those sales? and can't I still link out from my CP shop to my own external sites that happen to get CJ comissions?
[2007.03.26 20:50:16] Adam: like addtocart stuff with cj?
[2007.03.26 20:50:20] blonde_designs: im just afraid (as i am a new shopkeeper) that my sales are gonna tank
[2007.03.26 20:50:28] Towal: what is advanced linking please Adam?
[2007.03.26 20:50:37] shopaholicchick: blonde i am not a new shoppkeeper and i am sure mine will
[2007.03.26 20:50:42] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Given the aff. tracking problems, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a grand success but they didn't know.
[2007.03.26 20:50:44] i'm sick: join the club, blonde.
[2007.03.26 20:50:53] Adam: redirecting an affiiate link to some place within CP
[2007.03.26 20:51:03] The_Amazing Shadow: slamdunk...that is still allowed
[2007.03.26 20:51:11] Towal: like deep linking?
[2007.03.26 20:51:16] slamdunk: thanks shadow... the board is moving so fast :)
[2007.03.26 20:51:19] Adam: yeah same
[2007.03.26 20:51:22] Towal: ok thanks
[2007.03.26 20:51:23] MartyCP: Where was I?
[2007.03.26 20:51:26] blonde_designs: like i think if this goes bad..that im taking my designs elsewhere lol
[2007.03.26 20:51:29] maryo: Actually you don't know that shopaholichick. We are all speculating - if we knew the future we'd be buying lottery tickets. Even CP doesn't know how this will play out.
[2007.03.26 20:51:32] shopaholicchick: slam yes you can link from cp to your extrnal and cj from there
[2007.03.26 20:51:34] Adam: sorry hehe
[2007.03.26 20:51:37] MartyCP: I just said good night to some folks, and like 100 posts flew by.
[2007.03.26 20:51:41] shopaholicchick: but MANY cp'ers do not have external sites
[2007.03.26 20:51:43] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Different t-shirt vendors, same page, CJ, CP, Marty.
[2007.03.26 20:51:54] SagArt: you were explaining that the affiliate program made no money, if that helps
[2007.03.26 20:51:58] kiwi: hmmm - the sales of 0.25% drove the program into the red? Wow, aren't we powerful.
[2007.03.26 20:52:01] The_Amazing Shadow: those people are definitely left out in the cold Shopaholic
[2007.03.26 20:52:23] shopaholicchick: shadow again the polite way of saying get bent LOL
[2007.03.26 20:52:25] MartyCP: JaNell, I don't think we have any policy forbidding linking to other t-shirt sites from your own site.
[2007.03.26 20:52:31] The_Amazing Shadow: yep...lol
[2007.03.26 20:52:32] Timewarp: slamdunk, I think thats okay, same boat im in.
[2007.03.26 20:52:35] MartyCP: So go right ahead.
[2007.03.26 20:52:38] absolute cotton: Marty, you were about to explain your brilliant plan to revamp cpshop so links to our own products would wipe an existing cj cookie
[2007.03.26 20:52:42] MartyCP: Was that what you were asking?
[2007.03.26 20:52:48] Towal: that .25% number. I wonder does that take into consideration that not all shops are active...some are placeholders etc?
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[2007.03.26 20:53:09] slamdunk: shop - do your squidoo lenses help you at all?
[2007.03.26 20:53:10] i'm sick: MARTY - yes, you do. we can't link spreadshop stores, for example. I've been specifically told that.
[2007.03.26 20:53:11] MartyCP: Cotton, I will have to make cpshop be smart enough to know the difference. I'm figuring that stuff out now.
[2007.03.26 20:53:12] maryo: Actually Marty - some shops were shut down for linking to other t-shirt sites. Or at least that was the story. There may have been other factors involved.
[2007.03.26 20:53:30] BWS: But anything our CPShops do with cookies can be undone when the buyer checks out, if a parasite is along for teh ride
[2007.03.26 20:53:33] shopaholicchick: and i want to know if that figure of how many affiliates is to shops or to shopkeepers - considering i have like 16 shops and i have only 1 affiliate
[2007.03.26 20:53:33] MartyCP: Sick, that's from in your own premium shop.
[2007.03.26 20:53:36] Towal: you can link to whatever you want off site
[2007.03.26 20:53:43] shopaholicchick: and most of my shops are basics and have never made a sale
[2007.03.26 20:53:43] MartyCP: You can do whatever you want on your own website.
[2007.03.26 20:53:48] The_Amazing Shadow: I have a plan for that BWS
[2007.03.26 20:53:51] absolute cotton: I'm sure glad that you're competent, marty... core or otherwise
[2007.03.26 20:53:51] MartyCP: Towal is correct.
[2007.03.26 20:53:52] Shawn - Pristinephoto: you can't link to competitors in your shop, but on your website you can do whatever you want
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[2007.03.26 20:53:53] i'm sick: ohh, i guess i thought that was his question... I guess i misunderstood. sorry.
[2007.03.26 20:54:01] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": No, Marty, some merchants will not allow their affiliates to show products from a competitor on the same web page - PAGE, not site - what is CafePress's policy about this?
[2007.03.26 20:54:11] MartyCP: JaNell: Go right ahead.
[2007.03.26 20:54:13] maryo: oh sorry I thought you meant from a premium shop
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[2007.03.26 20:54:27] Adam: marty why cant you just do all the chats?
[2007.03.26 20:54:41] absolute cotton: he forgot his laptop... :)
[2007.03.26 20:54:42] MartyCP: On your own website. But we don't want you to link to our competitors directly from our premium shops, which seems to me like a reasonable policy.
[2007.03.26 20:54:42] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": No, from your own website, squidoo, wherever.
[2007.03.26 20:54:45] I been robbed has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 20:54:45] Adam: got answers right away here. the nitty gritty ones we want
[2007.03.26 20:54:52] Shawn - Pristinephoto: because then nothing would get done at CP Adam if marty was doing all the chats... heheh
[2007.03.26 20:54:58] MartyCP: Bingo. :)
[2007.03.26 20:54:58] G guy: No, you can't cookie your CP shop from your own off site shop. Right?
[2007.03.26 20:55:00] Towal: Marty would do well moderated chat. we are just overwhelming him. He's sticking right in there though..yay Marty!
[2007.03.26 20:55:03] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I ain't linkin' to squat from my store.
[2007.03.26 20:55:25] Adam: yeah marty the kettle has boiled go finish their coffee
[2007.03.26 20:55:43] I been robbed: what did I miss? what did I miss? (it's me- Kayecee- Hee hee)
[2007.03.26 20:55:52] The_Amazing Shadow: for some reason, I am beginning to feel a little frustrated...lol
[2007.03.26 20:55:52] FaeryMegggggg: So, if an aff. signs up to CJ, can they partake in the aff. programs of other sites?
[2007.03.26 20:55:54] MartyCP: Okay...next?
[2007.03.26 20:55:56] Adam: chats are not marty's core compentacy lololol
[2007.03.26 20:55:58] absolute cotton: I am, janell... but i consider my premium shop to be a place where I store my products. I sell them offsite where I have some control.
[2007.03.26 20:56:01] MartyCP: Faery: absolutely!
[2007.03.26 20:56:06] Jolent: I still make more from bonus then from affiliates....I'll just keep putting more products in my shops now since I cant affiliate shop to shop
[2007.03.26 20:56:10] foxvox: Adam-LOL!
[2007.03.26 20:56:13] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Marty, I know we're hostile, and thanks for being patient and speaking English.
[2007.03.26 20:56:13] jean / rotemgear: you missed the big news that due to our concerns the CJ program will NOT go thorugh as planned
[2007.03.26 20:56:17] maryo: Marty - I think a lot of us have concerns about the loyalty programs
[2007.03.26 20:56:23] maryo: like Upromise and Ebates
[2007.03.26 20:56:28] Adam: fantasic jean :D
[2007.03.26 20:56:31] Lekker Jen: YES!!!
[2007.03.26 20:56:32] slamdunk: so is there a reason to wait to sign up for CJ... I figured I might as well play around and maybe build a squidoo lens or add to myspace page
[2007.03.26 20:56:36] foxvox: JEAN - don't confuse people. ;-)
[2007.03.26 20:56:36] absolute cotton: amen, mary
[2007.03.26 20:56:37] jean / rotemgear: yoiu snooze you lose
[2007.03.26 20:56:38] maryo: They are known for hijacking affliate links
[2007.03.26 20:56:39] The_Amazing Shadow: marty... are we allowed to use CJ link to our own store that is opted OUT?
[2007.03.26 20:56:41] G guy: You can't cookie your CP shop from your own off site shop. Right?
[2007.03.26 20:56:41] SagArt: What, is that true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2007.03.26 20:56:44] Lekker Jen: Loyalty Programs are my main concern
[2007.03.26 20:56:44] Sherry: Nite All.......Thanks for sticking around, Marty. Everyone go get some sleep, or some fresh air ^.^ Last I looked the sky was still up there above us....... We'll all be okay when the dust has settled.
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[2007.03.26 20:56:54] absolute cotton: night sherry
[2007.03.26 20:56:57] MartyCP: Shadow: Why would you want to?
[2007.03.26 20:57:06] CobraA1: Well, I'm willing to give this new program a chance.
[2007.03.26 20:57:09] I been robbed: wait wait was she kidding
[2007.03.26 20:57:11] jean / rotemgear: I only want to encourage Kaycee to stick around ;)
[2007.03.26 20:57:11] shopaholicchick: marty becuase it puts the cookie i thier computer!!!
[2007.03.26 20:57:17] Shawn - Pristinephoto: marty, asked this earlier but got lost in the scroll.. heheh Warren and Shelby contradicted in answers regarding linking to our shops from our sites... currently we can set cookie even though we know we wont get commission but there is now confusion whehter we can do that.
[2007.03.26 20:57:28] The_Amazing Shadow: to get the cookie set... I have a plan for an opted in shop and an outed out shop that CPShop will pull in....
[2007.03.26 20:57:31] absolute cotton: to prevent an unexpired cookie from stealing his tier bonus, marty
[2007.03.26 20:57:47] MartyCP: Shadow again: And if the store is opted out, I'd say it's okay. I'm not the law here, but I'd argue that it was okay. Odd, but okay.
[2007.03.26 20:57:47] I been robbed: Jean I'm gonna kick your butt :P
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[2007.03.26 20:58:17] shopaholicchick: marty - right now we can put the pid on our own links - we do not get the commission but the cookie gets set....we cant do that with CJ
[2007.03.26 20:58:21] ppix1: Sorry Kayecee, but that was darn funny!
[2007.03.26 20:58:36] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": I wish that somebody at CP knew the answers, and would be so kind as to write them down in Cliff notes for the others, and maybe even a clear, concise, and thorough FAQ for us lowly under-affiliates.
[2007.03.26 20:58:48] I been robbed: yeah.... well Sag fell for it too :P
[2007.03.26 20:58:52] ppix1: I am most worried about losing my tier bonuses to affiliates. That's a large chunk of change.
[2007.03.26 20:58:58] Adam: ditto janell
[2007.03.26 20:59:01] blonde_designs: AMEN JAZILLA!!!
[2007.03.26 20:59:04] maryo: Marty, do you know anything about the Loyalty program question? I know Jill likes the loyalty programs and Shelby came from mypoints. So I have a feeling we are going to be stuck with them.
[2007.03.26 20:59:05] shopaholicchick: that have a FAQ - in plain english it reads "get bent"
[2007.03.26 20:59:07] Adam: marty needs to write them
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[2007.03.26 20:59:13] SagArt: I keep thinkin' this is a bad April Fool joke!
[2007.03.26 20:59:18] The_Amazing Shadow: It's party of an overall plan Marty :)
[2007.03.26 20:59:19] slamdunk: yeah, why can't we still put our code, knowing we don't get the commission on our own stuff... but setting the cookie for other sales?
[2007.03.26 20:59:28] i'm sick: I agree with JaNell. It'd be GREAT if communication flowed BEFORE your FAQs and CPchats :)
[2007.03.26 20:59:28] FaeryMegggggg: Say I put up an ad on some site with it linking to my shop. What's to stop unexpired cookies from stealing my hard earned money?
[2007.03.26 20:59:32] foxvox: How would loyalty programs HELP us, as SKs? To add to Mary's Q.
[2007.03.26 20:59:34] The_Amazing Shadow: I wish Sag
[2007.03.26 20:59:53] FaeryMegggggg: I mean I love aff's that work for it, but...
[2007.03.26 20:59:54] FaeryMegggggg: BAH!
[2007.03.26 20:59:54] Nina: Please tell me that having us lose our bonus money isn't all part of the overall CP plan with this change?
[2007.03.26 21:00:11] Adam: i hate the dumb arguemnt that joining CJ will send Sks more traffic. it wont.. it'll send CP more traffic
[2007.03.26 21:00:22] G guy: Slam, because if a cookie is set, CJ gets 5% for nothing
[2007.03.26 21:00:25] maryo: exactly Adam
[2007.03.26 21:00:25] kiwi: amen, Adam
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[2007.03.26 21:00:38] slamdunk: eeek... I didn't realize that :(
[2007.03.26 21:00:41] MartyCP: I'm confused by that, Adam.
[2007.03.26 21:00:43] CobraA1: Traffic to CP == more potential traffic to your shop(s)
[2007.03.26 21:00:44] Shawn - Pristinephoto: agree adam.. :)
[2007.03.26 21:00:44] Adam: it wont add up.
[2007.03.26 21:00:45] Towal: I am concerned about loyalty programs as well in terms of what it will do at CP. Even though I belong to one, I can't think of any other place like CP that is listed as an option in it. They are all where 1 person gets the money (one company) where CP involves more than just CP
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[2007.03.26 21:00:48] Adam: yeah a lot of you are
[2007.03.26 21:01:31] FaeryMegggggg: I really hope that CP chooses not to be a part of the loyalty programs.
[2007.03.26 21:01:32] MartyCP: Can you clarify?
[2007.03.26 21:01:33] ppix1: I belong to a loyalty program as well. They don't lure me in to shop at new places.
[2007.03.26 21:01:36] Towal: Traffic to the MARKETPLACE is not the same as traffic to YOUR designs
[2007.03.26 21:01:42] shopaholicchick: marty - the amount u will bring in from CJ - will not equal the amount you will lose from the current program
[2007.03.26 21:01:48] Towal: me clarify?
[2007.03.26 21:01:54] Adam: me i think :D
[2007.03.26 21:01:54] G guy: I'm sending about 3k uniques a month to CP and I just really got started a few months ago.
[2007.03.26 21:02:04] i'm sick: well, it's been fun, folks. I wish I were leaving as un-upset about this as I came... but as my handle suggests, i'm sick and should get some sleep. thanks for all your help! and good luck. :)
[2007.03.26 21:02:06] pembrokewcorgi: what I am trying to get my head around is that if a customer follows an affiliate's link to the marketplace, but a few days later visits my premium site via a Google link...the affliitate will get that commission too?
[2007.03.26 21:02:16] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": HIRE ME and I will piss everyone off but get the answers BEFORE the announcement and you can be damn sure I'd know about whatever it was that I knew about CJ and Marty didn't and should have if basic research and communication had been done. No offense Marty, it's not your fault. And what exactly is CP's "core competancy"? Forget what I said, they're too disorganized for me and I'm an ADD artist!
[2007.03.26 21:02:20] shopaholicchick: Marty - shopkeepers now can offer people another shop if they do not have the item - with this CJ program the people will come in to CP to 1 shop - and if they do not have it at that 1 shop - they will no longer surf to another shop
[2007.03.26 21:02:20] The_Amazing Shadow: yes Pembroke
[2007.03.26 21:02:22] maryo: well it's not how many uniques you send it's how many convert to sales
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[2007.03.26 21:02:34] maryo: Marty- this actually goes back to the loyalty programs.
[2007.03.26 21:02:55] maryo: CP doesn't care if the cookie gets re-set because CP still makes a sale
[2007.03.26 21:02:58] FaeryMegggggg: Very true Shop!
[2007.03.26 21:03:06] absolute cotton: yeah, pem... unfortunately, if you have your own stuff offsite... bingo - 20% loss immediately, more lost when it subtracts from tier
[2007.03.26 21:03:12] Adam: how many SKs are there?
[2007.03.26 21:03:18] Adam: how many products?
[2007.03.26 21:03:45] Towal: very a lot :P
[2007.03.26 21:03:54] shopaholicchick: 25% of my sales come from people who come in to look at another shop dont find what they want and migrate to my shop
[2007.03.26 21:03:56] Nina: Tier money is very important to us...
[2007.03.26 21:03:57] G guy: maryo, sure but all the pros can do is send traffic too. They can't force buyers to buy. It's a lot about traffic.
[2007.03.26 21:03:59] jean / rotemgear: 35 million ...
[2007.03.26 21:04:00] SagArt: oh, a walmart's stor full
[2007.03.26 21:04:00] maryo: but the individual shopkeepers bottom line is impacted when they pay an affiliate commission they shouldn't have to and even worse - lose out on the volume bonus
[2007.03.26 21:04:10] Adam: and that extra traffic isnt nes going to find me
[2007.03.26 21:04:14] chm: 80M products, Adam, according to Fred CP
[2007.03.26 21:04:15] kiwi: Marty - I think CP already has excellent placement in the search engines - either through the marketplace or through SK's SEO efforts. I don't believe these big gun affiliates will drive more traffic to anyone - they will simply compete for SE placement.
[2007.03.26 21:04:16] absolute cotton: lol sag
[2007.03.26 21:04:25] Adam: and that traffic isn't targetted
[2007.03.26 21:04:29] shopaholicchick: i think CP is going to lose A LOT of money on the CJ thing
[2007.03.26 21:04:32] maryo: Actually it's not G guy - it's a lot about TARGETTED traffic
[2007.03.26 21:04:41] Adam: nor can i scale my own referred sales
[2007.03.26 21:04:54] Nan: Marty, my topic ads sometimes show my shops. That sale is dispensated, right?
[2007.03.26 21:05:00] scarebaby has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:05:02] cowpie: I don't understand how CP can say that only 1/4 of 1% of SK's made any money from the affiliate program. If that's the case, the SK's were trying very hard.
[2007.03.26 21:05:06] Adam: say in month 1 i get 20 referred sales
[2007.03.26 21:05:08] Nina: Who here thinks their products will be in the 600,000 in the catalog of "best sellers"???
[2007.03.26 21:05:08] shopaholicchick: nah there will be no topic ads
[2007.03.26 21:05:10] Adam: in two i want to scale up
[2007.03.26 21:05:12] Adam: to 40
[2007.03.26 21:05:17] MartyCP: Cowpie -- those numbers are correct. I validated them myself.
[2007.03.26 21:05:22] MartyCP: It's surprising, but true.
[2007.03.26 21:05:23] Adam: how with the CJ program can i ensure i can improve it
[2007.03.26 21:05:25] slamdunk: nina... not me
[2007.03.26 21:05:29] Adam: i cant
[2007.03.26 21:05:38] absolute cotton: I'll have some in there, shirley. I bet you will too
[2007.03.26 21:05:39] shopaholicchick: cowpie i think they were counting shops not shopkeepers
[2007.03.26 21:05:44] Adam: it only benefits cp
[2007.03.26 21:05:51] MartyCP: But that's 1/4 of 1% of members made an affiliate commission.
[2007.03.26 21:05:53] Shawn - Pristinephoto: yeah.. the old program supported more of developing niche sites for targeted traffic.. in the new program the focus is the huge affiliates, it wont be as targeted.. I think thats kinda what Adam is saying or at least way I'm interpreting things
[2007.03.26 21:05:57] jean / rotemgear: and we all know how well the markeplace treats many of us, especially veteran so I dont see how it would help me
[2007.03.26 21:05:58] shopaholicchick: and they were counting ead shops too - people who made a basic shop to print 1 item then left it there to die
[2007.03.26 21:06:00] FaeryMegggggg: Those numbers blow my mind.
[2007.03.26 21:06:01] Timewarp: I don't think CP will lose on the CJ deal, us shopkeepers will... no wonder they don't care.
[2007.03.26 21:06:02] Lekker Jen: Yeah - I like to think 1 affiliate sale a day is god
[2007.03.26 21:06:02] G guy: Uh... of course. maryo. No sense in sending someone only interested in pretty pictures. :)
[2007.03.26 21:06:23] shopaholicchick: marty did you drop all shops that the owner has not logged in to cp in over a year?!?!?!?!?!!?
[2007.03.26 21:06:27] Lekker Jen: 1 affiliate sale a day is good.
[2007.03.26 21:06:29] Adam: totally agree paul (timewarp)
[2007.03.26 21:06:34] MartyCP: Shopchick -- no, not at all..
[2007.03.26 21:06:36] absolute cotton: Marty, how many members are inactive (don't constantly log in, don't make sales, don't drive traffic to cp)?
[2007.03.26 21:06:39] MartyCP: Where'd you hear that?
[2007.03.26 21:06:41] cowpie: Those numbers really surprise me, Marty.
[2007.03.26 21:06:41] shopaholicchick: time i think theyw ill
[2007.03.26 21:06:43] Adam: we will not benefit in the same way cp will
[2007.03.26 21:07:03] kiwi: Well, let's change the statistics -
[2007.03.26 21:07:16] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Marty, I once read in a Heinlein book this old quote: There are Liars, there are Damn Liars, and then there are Statisticians. Did someone who gets a cut from sending CP to CJ happen to be the person who arranged the numbers? Numbers are very easy to manipulate.
[2007.03.26 21:07:17] shopaholicchick: time - a lot of us are makign a lot of money from links to our shops from other shops - if those links go away the sales go away - and thats not only US losing money so does CP
[2007.03.26 21:07:19] Towal: I don't think *most* of us will benefit at all :(
[2007.03.26 21:07:25] shopaholicchick: CP only makes money if shopkeepers make money
[2007.03.26 21:07:27] Adam: you can tell shopc anything and she;ll believe u
[2007.03.26 21:07:29] MartyCP: I'm still confused by the "CP benefits, shopkeepers don't" thing. We only make money if shopkeepers make money.
[2007.03.26 21:07:29] janelle has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 21:07:32] shopaholicchick: so if shopkeepers lose money so does CP
[2007.03.26 21:07:40] FaeryMegggggg: I would say drop all the sks who haven't signed in over a year, but that's free money for CP
[2007.03.26 21:07:41] Adam: arghh
[2007.03.26 21:07:51] shopaholicchick: marty no offense but ya'll are screwing us - and screwing yourselves
[2007.03.26 21:07:55] Adam: marty you are an intelligent person you can work it out
[2007.03.26 21:08:00] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Not true, Marty - if that "Make Your Own T" comes to fruition.
[2007.03.26 21:08:03] shopaholicchick: faery not for basic shops
[2007.03.26 21:08:06] kiwi: ooops - let's change the statistics - what percentage of the "shops" actually make any sales (other than self-buy)?
[2007.03.26 21:08:18] CobraA1: I think some people here need to work on marketplace optimization -_-
[2007.03.26 21:08:32] shopaholicchick: faery all those 100,000 basic shops people started made no money and never closed - are counted in those figures
[2007.03.26 21:08:41] MartyCP: Kiwi -- I don't have those numbers. I'd have to run a bunch of queries to find out.
[2007.03.26 21:08:42] shopaholicchick: and make it look worse then it is
[2007.03.26 21:08:44] kiwi: Then of those shops that actually make sales, how many participate in the affiliate program?
[2007.03.26 21:08:47] foxvox: Loyalty programs will overwrite our cookies, so as affiliates we WON't get credit for a sale, but CP still makes the sale.
[2007.03.26 21:08:48] CobraA1: I made sure at least a few of my designs have high rankings in the marketplace
[2007.03.26 21:08:49] absolute cotton: Marty, if our marketshare doesn't grow significantly, but affiliate sales go up... CP loses 20% but that number is offset by reduced tier bonuses to shopkeepers.
[2007.03.26 21:08:49] Lekker Jen: We will lose money in volume bonus from new "affiliate sales" driven by parasitic "loyalty progrmas"
[2007.03.26 21:08:51] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": If the "Make Your Own T" site is there,CP can make money but we may not.
[2007.03.26 21:09:02] FaeryMegggggg: If CP sells a design that has been left there for over a year and is not taken down by the inactive SK - that's free money for them.
[2007.03.26 21:09:03] The_Amazing Shadow: How many affiliate sales are these one of big dogs supposed to generate?
[2007.03.26 21:09:04] Towal: Marty, CP benefits regardless of where the traffic comes from. YOU get paid either we. We do not and on top of it we have to give up part of our earnings and that doesn't count toward volume bonus. So CP makes even more by not having to pay as much out in VB now too
[2007.03.26 21:09:05] kiwi: Then of those that participate, what % earned a commission?
[2007.03.26 21:09:14] MartyCP: I just can't keep up, folks.
[2007.03.26 21:09:16] Adam: day one CP sign up 100 affiliates, day two CP sign up 200 affiliates. they generate 50 sales in day one, 100 in day two. The shop keepers will not see the same scale. we will cant possibly grow at the same rate.
[2007.03.26 21:09:38] absolute cotton: don't try, marty. if you had to keep up with our grousing, i promise you'd fail
[2007.03.26 21:09:46] foxvox: Marty - thanks for trying at least! Heh.
[2007.03.26 21:09:50] shopaholicchick: Marty - 20% of almost every sale will be lost to the parastic CJ affiliates
[2007.03.26 21:10:03] shopaholicchick: marty EVERY sale will now be an affiliate sale instead of only SOME being affiliate sales
[2007.03.26 21:10:04] MartyCP: Shopchick -- where on earth did you get those numbers?
[2007.03.26 21:10:10] slamdunk: CP seems to benefit and we suffer, because we can't set cookies linking into our own shop... so they keep more money, right?
[2007.03.26 21:10:21] foxvox: I'm curious about the origins of those numbers as well.
[2007.03.26 21:10:22] kiwi: poor Marty, I'll put it all together. I think the 0.25% number is misleading and specifically designed to shock. It would be better to calculate:
[2007.03.26 21:10:22] maryo: Marty - I was trying to explain that. If you allow certain affiliates - like certain loyalty programs in - YOU (meaning CP) will still make the money even if a cookie is hijacked. But WE (as SK's) lose out because we are paying out affiliate commission on a sale that actually resulted from a natural search. And we lose the volume bonus.
[2007.03.26 21:10:24] Adam: where does anyone gets percentages from ;)
[2007.03.26 21:10:29] The_Amazing Shadow: how much is alot of affiliate sales anyways?
[2007.03.26 21:10:30] shopaholicchick: marty - i was just using numbers - but i know there are a lot of people who have made basic shops and then did nothing to them
[2007.03.26 21:10:40] shopaholicchick: i referred about 25 of them in the last year!!!
[2007.03.26 21:10:53] jean / rotemgear: thank you maryo for saying in sanely
[2007.03.26 21:11:01] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": CP is definitely screwing us on the links to our own shop - doubledipping? Please.
[2007.03.26 21:11:24] Adam: all they need is to code the system to prevent it
[2007.03.26 21:11:29] Nan has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:11:34] Adam: dont CJ provide some call back?
[2007.03.26 21:11:34] MartyCP: So here's a question that's been bugging me for some time: Whose responsibility is it to drive traffic to a store?
[2007.03.26 21:11:49] foxvox: Ours! Of course. ;-)
[2007.03.26 21:11:50] Adam: US
[2007.03.26 21:11:52] jean / rotemgear: ours
[2007.03.26 21:11:55] SagArt: We
[2007.03.26 21:11:56] slamdunk: ours... but we should also benefit from other sales after they enter our shop
[2007.03.26 21:11:57] Towal: copycatting is going to be even worse now too and for those of us that aren't doing intricate art that will suck
[2007.03.26 21:11:57] BWS: ours
[2007.03.26 21:11:59] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Both of ours - IF we're a team.
[2007.03.26 21:12:00] Lekker Jen: Shopkeepers or Affiliates that actually do something
[2007.03.26 21:12:06] shopaholicchick: it is our responsibility to drive traffic to our store
[2007.03.26 21:12:07] The_Amazing Shadow: well Marty... in my opinions it's ours... I just want teh ability to set the CJ cookie in case they go elsewhere
[2007.03.26 21:12:13] Shawn - Pristinephoto: depends on if there is an affilaite program or not... us if not, us and affiliates if there is
[2007.03.26 21:12:16] MartyCP: So should you receive an affiliate commission for driving traffic to your own store?
[2007.03.26 21:12:18] Towal: I have NO problem with a legit affiiate getting credit for driving traffic
[2007.03.26 21:12:20] FaeryMegggggg: A Store= Us, The Marketplace = U.
[2007.03.26 21:12:20] jean / rotemgear: first, ours -- nice if CP gives us a bosst but we should never count on that.
[2007.03.26 21:12:23] shopaholicchick: but we are also driving traffic to other stores via the CP affiliate program
[2007.03.26 21:12:23] Adam: no
[2007.03.26 21:12:28] The_Amazing Shadow: no Marty... we should be able to set the cookie though
[2007.03.26 21:12:29] jean / rotemgear: errr, boost
[2007.03.26 21:12:33] Lekker Jen: no comission to drive it to our shop
[2007.03.26 21:12:38] blonde_designs: wow i like can't keep up here
[2007.03.26 21:12:38] shopaholicchick: without the cp affiliate program i will NOT link to other peoples stores and they will lose money
[2007.03.26 21:12:42] slamdunk: no, but for the shopper browing around and buying from others within the 30 days
[2007.03.26 21:12:56] shopaholicchick: people will come to my store if they do not find what they want - they can go to walmart
[2007.03.26 21:12:58] slamdunk: same answer as shadow :)
[2007.03.26 21:12:59] Shawn - Pristinephoto: no, but we should be able to set a cookie.. nobody is asking for affiliate commission on our own shop.. we just want the cookie so we get proper credit for purchases elsewhere
[2007.03.26 21:13:01] UncleFrog: if we drove them to our store noone should get an affiliate commission
[2007.03.26 21:13:01] Jolent: Whose responsibility is it to drive traffic to a store? Ours, if we can drive traffic to OUR OWN shop....then put a cookie on their computer when they leave our shop and go to another.
[2007.03.26 21:13:07] givitup: Marty, what can we do as a group to convince CP that when we have an ad or blog pointing to our site we deserve to set a cookie because it DOES in fact send traffic to CP?
[2007.03.26 21:13:11] Nina: yes, we should be able to set the cookie like we do currently
[2007.03.26 21:13:11] absolute cotton: cp forces marketplace links, marty. when we send customers from cpshop to cafepress, we should get the cookie.
[2007.03.26 21:13:27] dooni designs: just as it was before cp offered ANY affiliate program.. this is not the death of us
[2007.03.26 21:13:33] absolute cotton: even if it's our own store. we paid for that traffic
[2007.03.26 21:13:40] The_Amazing Shadow: the new systems puts the shopkeeper at a disadvantage... because we may have 100's of links to our store, but we aren't allowed to use CJ link... so no cookie... I don't want an affiliate commission
[2007.03.26 21:13:49] MartyCP: So the problem is this -- we can't technically tell if someone is linking to their own store at order time. So how do we not double-pay you?
[2007.03.26 21:13:54] Adam: what if I have a page setup that links to my shop without an affiliate link and another link to someones store with an affiliate link. At one time someone will click on the affiliate link and get a cookie and might also purchase from my store.
[2007.03.26 21:13:58] FaeryMegggggg: I think if we drive someone to our own store, we should get all the money from it.
[2007.03.26 21:14:11] Nina: We don't want to make affiliate money on our own products, just on other SK's products that WE promoted.
[2007.03.26 21:14:13] Adam: /\ my point.. whats goinna happen
[2007.03.26 21:14:14] foxvox: How do we not double-pay OR penalize accidental sales, yah.
[2007.03.26 21:14:17] FaeryMegggggg: Couldn't you do that with the inhouse program?
[2007.03.26 21:14:17] Jolent: We dont want affiliate commission from driving people to our own shop....we want to set the cookie so when they leave our shop, we make affiliate commission
[2007.03.26 21:14:19] Shawn - Pristinephoto: thats what the affiliate team is missing.. they think people are wanting to "double dip"... it has nothing to do with that.. we just want the credit and the cookie for the traffic that WE as a thirdparty site drove to cafepress, regardless of whether it is our shop or not
[2007.03.26 21:14:20] absolute cotton: the problem is two-fold, marty.
[2007.03.26 21:14:36] Adam: EXACTLY SHAWN!!!
[2007.03.26 21:14:37] The_Amazing Shadow: marty that is the problem. CP doesn't know how to do it, so they put the SK-Affiliate at a disadvantage
[2007.03.26 21:14:37] ppix1: I don't want to doubledip, but I want my volume if I directed the traffic. And I do direct lots of traffic.
[2007.03.26 21:14:48] jean / rotemgear: what Nina and Shawn said!
[2007.03.26 21:14:48] absolute cotton: 1. we want credit for marketplace sales from our carts sent from offsite links in cpshop.
[2007.03.26 21:14:52] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": MARTY, That is not the point - th epoint is that w/o that cookie, people traveling to other parts of CP and spending money will not be credited to out aff. account, and if we sent them there, it's not fair - it's stealing from your affiliates. If I send traffic your way and you have an affiliate program, with any other company, I'd get MY cookie set and a % from any sales that are NOT from my stor
[2007.03.26 21:14:56] zoescloset: i am so glad we are finally actually talking about this.
[2007.03.26 21:14:57] Adam: yeah.. dont realise it til you know what the heck you are doing
[2007.03.26 21:14:58] givitup: Marty, why can't you tell? We don't get commision now.
[2007.03.26 21:15:00] blonde_designs: poor marty...hes here on his own accord and hes gettin slammed
[2007.03.26 21:15:04] Adam: release
[2007.03.26 21:15:07] Lekker Jen: shawn got it
[2007.03.26 21:15:09] maryo: Marty I understand why you don't want to double pay, but I don't understand why CP thinks it's OK to use affiliates that reset cookies and take money away from us when they did not drive the traffic in the first place.
[2007.03.26 21:15:20] UncleFrog: if the affiliate commission were paid on your own products, it wouldn't qualify for a volume bonus ... so perhaps it is a wash this way?
[2007.03.26 21:15:28] Jolent: If we drive someone to our store, we will make our bonus....but an affiliate link to our shop gives a cookie for affiliate sales when they leave our store
[2007.03.26 21:15:29] slamdunk: so... isn't the main question, can we get a cookie so that we can get comission from customers that we bring in and purchase from within CP??? (and just expect our regular profit on our own stuff?) If I bring them in, why should CP get ALL the commission???
[2007.03.26 21:15:33] absolute cotton: 2. no cookies should override an offsite shop's efforts... and that cookie can't be overridden unless we have a cj link to our products
[2007.03.26 21:15:45] Shawn - Pristinephoto: that is your job to figure out as the programmer... who to not double pay... you are in a non-standard affiliate type arena... the products you sell aren't yours, they are ours... you allow us to also be affiliates... you need to develop the code to allow us to be affiliates and not be penalized when we send traffic to cafepress
[2007.03.26 21:16:04] Adam: yes your job
[2007.03.26 21:16:07] The_Amazing Shadow: I agree with shawn
[2007.03.26 21:16:10] Adam: totally
[2007.03.26 21:16:11] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": e, just the regular amount. it's not confusing. CJ can even take of their 5%. But it's standard business that our cookie would apply to everything else bought until the normal cookie expiration.
[2007.03.26 21:16:26] Adam: you will be in the same boat as before marty
[2007.03.26 21:16:31] Adam: if you dont figure it out
[2007.03.26 21:16:34] absolute cotton: here, here, janell
[2007.03.26 21:16:35] MartyCP: Quick question: Would you folks prefer it if we just eliminated the affiliate program altogether?
[2007.03.26 21:16:39] Shawn - Pristinephoto: sorry if that sounds blunt but its not right that shopkeeper affiliates are being shit on for having shops.. it needs to be built into the system to eliminate the double dipping
[2007.03.26 21:16:42] G guy: Yeah but CP can't tell anymore since the PID is not theirs.
[2007.03.26 21:16:43] MartyCP: I don't know if anyone's ever asked.
[2007.03.26 21:16:46] givitup: I think CP has a month to figure out how to do this - they seem to think it's enough time
[2007.03.26 21:16:52] Lekker Jen: I'd rather have none than CJ
[2007.03.26 21:16:53] FaeryMegggggg: I like having an aff. program.
[2007.03.26 21:17:03] blonde_designs: as do i
[2007.03.26 21:17:04] Adam: NO.. just use soem brains and fix it
[2007.03.26 21:17:06] Nina: yay Shawn...
[2007.03.26 21:17:13] SagArt: none than CJ - can't hold my nose long enough to use them
[2007.03.26 21:17:16] kippy: The more this goes on, the more I lean toward Jen's view
[2007.03.26 21:17:17] Jolent: I think we want it left alone....or at least still offer shop to shop
[2007.03.26 21:17:18] The_Amazing Shadow: I do not want it eliminated
[2007.03.26 21:17:19] Lekker Jen: I like the one we have and was getting it really good
[2007.03.26 21:17:19] FaeryMegggggg: But then again is the choice between nothing and CJ?
[2007.03.26 21:17:20] absolute cotton: i'd prefer an affiliate program, but not one that prevents me from being both an affiliate AND a shopkeeper. I LIKE being a shopkeeper
[2007.03.26 21:17:21] slamdunk: we just think we should have a reason to bring people in... i.e., getting the 30-day cookie
[2007.03.26 21:17:23] Adam: shit.. why is CJ the solution?
[2007.03.26 21:17:26] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": We're not asking to be paid twice, we're asking for CP to not steal/override/parasire our affiliate links!
[2007.03.26 21:17:28] MartyCP: Adam, I'd love to actually chat with you about this stuff in person. It's actually not an easy technical problem to solve.
[2007.03.26 21:17:30] jean / rotemgear: I never really got going on the affilaite program but if I had to choose betweent he new one and none, I say none... I dont see whay it has to be all or nothing, though
[2007.03.26 21:17:31] shopaholicchick: between nothing and CJ i would rather have nothing
[2007.03.26 21:17:34] CobraA1: I like having an affiliate program, and I hope that this one will be more successful.
[2007.03.26 21:17:35] kiwi: If we can get cookie set to our own products (not double dip - just cookie) I would be willing to try CJ.
[2007.03.26 21:17:42] Adam: i bet hehe
[2007.03.26 21:17:59] BWS: The old affiliate program was good to me
[2007.03.26 21:18:07] MartyCP: But the old program lost money.
[2007.03.26 21:18:14] BWS: that's not what you asked
[2007.03.26 21:18:16] jean / rotemgear: marty, how did it lose?
[2007.03.26 21:18:23] shopaholicchick: how did it lose money??
[2007.03.26 21:18:29] FaeryMegggggg: And there is no way to improve it to make it work?
[2007.03.26 21:18:30] jean / rotemgear: even after CP paid out, they still profitted
[2007.03.26 21:18:35] Adam: the relationship between the shop keeper and the affiliate needs to be found. some how
[2007.03.26 21:18:35] Romy: If I have to choose between an affiliate program and my volume bonus, I will take the volume bonus!
[2007.03.26 21:18:42] shopaholicchick: you made sales you would never have made if the person left my shop and went to walmart instead of leaving my shop and going to adams
[2007.03.26 21:18:47] Lekker Jen: Not for long... I had a half dozen shops to open in the next month or two - one was going to open the day after I found out about this
[2007.03.26 21:18:47] MartyCP: Actually, no Jean, it didn't.
[2007.03.26 21:18:49] Towal: here is what I don't understand. We had explosive growth last year supposedly
[2007.03.26 21:18:49] Nina: Yay JaZilla!! - a"We're not asking to be paid twice, we're asking for CP to not steal/override/parasire our affiliate links!"
[2007.03.26 21:18:55] FaeryMegggggg: To lose money you must have been paying out for something right? Was it bandwith? or what?
[2007.03.26 21:18:59] kiwi: Marty - my preference would be the old program without the auto-cookie,
[2007.03.26 21:19:01] absolute cotton: If they knew, they'd have fixed it. In business, it's easier to blame the last person who left ... and just move forward.
[2007.03.26 21:19:01] slamdunk: If I bring people into zazzle, I get a referral bonus for other purchases in-house... All we want is our comission for bringing them in-house
[2007.03.26 21:19:05] Adam: did CP get their numbers wrong then?
[2007.03.26 21:19:09] ppix1: I'd rather have no affiliate program if I'm going to lose my bonus to it. No CJ.
[2007.03.26 21:19:12] Towal: if that was NOT from affiliates which CP has said it's not..it must mean that WE the SKs are doing something right no?
[2007.03.26 21:19:19] Towal: so why penalize us now?
[2007.03.26 21:19:20] shopaholicchick: marty - even if it was an internal transfer shop to shop - it was a sale you never would have had if that shop had not linked to another shop!!!!!!!!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:19:22] BWS: It's hard t understand that if the number of money making affiliates was insignificant, that they were losing CP a significant amount of money. Which leaves overhead as the money losing thing...?
[2007.03.26 21:19:22] Adam: at what point do they go into the negatives?
[2007.03.26 21:19:27] Jolent: even if they go with CJ, we should still as affiliates be able to set our affiliate links shop to shop...promote our shop for bonus rewards, pick up affilate commissions when they leave our shop and go to our handpicked affiliate shops
[2007.03.26 21:19:34] maryo: (this is addressed at CP not Marty personally)I like the affiliate program. I think it's a good concept and it can be profitable. It has certainly been profitable for me. I don't think you put the resources into it you needed to to make it profitable. I don't have a problem with choosing to outsource it. I do have a problem with choosing a known harborer of parasites like CJ.
[2007.03.26 21:19:40] MartyCP: Markup + Infrastructure Cost + Support Cost + Affiliate Commission + Coupon + Shipping Cost + Personnel Cost.
[2007.03.26 21:19:44] G guy: May have lost money on paper Marty but how much traffic did it send? Banner year? It's advertising expense. Cut out few 100k links to CP from shopkeepers... no more sales.
[2007.03.26 21:19:45] Adam: ty
[2007.03.26 21:19:47] Adam: ty
[2007.03.26 21:19:58] Timewarp: i still want an aff program, just a fair one!
[2007.03.26 21:19:59] shopaholicchick: marty - i would rather have no affiliate program then
[2007.03.26 21:20:04] MartyCP: Guys, I'm really, really attached to the old program.
[2007.03.26 21:20:12] BWS: I would think thta constant $5 coupons would lose much more money
[2007.03.26 21:20:20] shopaholicchick: heck iw ould be fine to swtich the old program to 10% instead of 20
[2007.03.26 21:20:24] Adam: sssh
[2007.03.26 21:20:26] shopaholicchick: that would solve that problem
[2007.03.26 21:20:28] jean / rotemgear: Marty, I can send you a link to a Spped Reading Course .. and affilaite link, of course ;)
[2007.03.26 21:20:31] The_Amazing Shadow: whooaaa Shop
[2007.03.26 21:20:36] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": No doubt. Cut down on the coupons.
[2007.03.26 21:20:37] G guy: YEah, coupons never did a thing for me.
[2007.03.26 21:20:38] The_Amazing Shadow: how about 19.9?
[2007.03.26 21:20:39] Towal: but if the program was promoted and such and given TIME I think it would cover all those things
[2007.03.26 21:20:41] shopaholicchick: shadow it is better then losing 20%
[2007.03.26 21:20:54] Towal: it was HEAVILY promoted at first and then just died on the vine
[2007.03.26 21:21:04] shopaholicchick: losing 10% & getting 10 is better then losing 20% and getting 15
[2007.03.26 21:21:09] SagArt: Yes, it did die on the vine for sure.
[2007.03.26 21:21:10] jean / rotemgear: Mart, why CJ then? I know its big but LS is no slouch, is it?
[2007.03.26 21:21:11] kippy: We need Deb again :(
[2007.03.26 21:21:11] Towal: the last affiliate contact I got was MONTHS ago..until someone called me today
[2007.03.26 21:21:19] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Deeeeebbbiiiie!
[2007.03.26 21:21:27] RJoe has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 21:21:27] foxvox: Perhaps the old program might have worked better if it had been encouraged for OUTSIDE sites instead of shop to shop? If the goal was getting new traffic.
[2007.03.26 21:21:29] The_Amazing Shadow: I am hoping they evaluate the shop to shop traffic if a dip in overall sales occurs
[2007.03.26 21:21:30] kolkat has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:21:34] SagArt: Debbie, Debbie, Debbie!
[2007.03.26 21:21:35] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Share-a-sale?
[2007.03.26 21:21:39] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Kalimbo?
[2007.03.26 21:21:50] ppix1: I'd rather reduce the affiliate percentage than switch.
[2007.03.26 21:21:51] MartyCP: If you're losing money with a program, it can still hold value if it's bringing in more traffic -- an "acquisition channel," in marketing-speak.
[2007.03.26 21:21:53] kippy: Yeah, I don't feel like the old program was explained properly. We were encouraged to cross link between shops
[2007.03.26 21:21:58] kiwi: The communication to external affiliates died with Debbie.
[2007.03.26 21:22:02] RJoe: When is the chat scheduled to start?
[2007.03.26 21:22:12] MartyCP: It took a long time to hire a new person to replace Debbie.
[2007.03.26 21:22:13] FaeryMegggggg: We're we not bringing in more traffic then?
[2007.03.26 21:22:14] kippy: It ended two hours ago
[2007.03.26 21:22:15] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": So we screwed up by bringing in customers who stayed at CP and shopped - this is bad how?
[2007.03.26 21:22:15] Nina: I just want all my new 4thclick sites to haul in the moola... I hope this isn't going to mess them up. Still don't feel like that Q is fully anwered.
[2007.03.26 21:22:16] MartyCP: Nope.
[2007.03.26 21:22:17] foxvox: But then, it really didn't appeal to 'super affiliates'. The fact that it was independent really screws that up apparently.
[2007.03.26 21:22:22] jean / rotemgear: caht was 2 hours ago
[2007.03.26 21:22:23] RJoe: Thx
[2007.03.26 21:22:24] G guy: PRECISELY MARTY! How was traffic?
[2007.03.26 21:22:27] shopaholicchick: well marty wouldn't it have been smart for yall to have a meetin with us 6 months ago and tell us that if we dont push it externally we will lose it???!?!?!?!?!?!
[2007.03.26 21:22:34] Adam: what do you do to encourage more traffic though?
[2007.03.26 21:22:34] Lekker Jen: They did a poor job of explaining the concept/goal they had for the old program
[2007.03.26 21:22:35] JessH has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 21:22:37] Adam: not a lot
[2007.03.26 21:22:48] shopaholicchick: you never told us it was not doing good and how we needed to fix it
[2007.03.26 21:22:48] SagArt: Get Debbie back and give her the resources to develop the program.
[2007.03.26 21:22:56] shopaholicchick: ^5 sag
[2007.03.26 21:23:01] palmetto has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 21:23:02] Adam: if you sent me a bloody email every week i might link
[2007.03.26 21:23:04] MartyCP: We didn't have an affiliate manager at the time. Debbie left, and it's difficult to manage a program at Christmas time without a manager.
[2007.03.26 21:23:17] FaeryMegggggg: Yeah, didn't they at one point say the program was booming?
[2007.03.26 21:23:19] The_Amazing Shadow: I seem to remember when I signed up for my premium shop last February that the affiliate cookie being set automatically was an advantage of the premium shop
[2007.03.26 21:23:24] CobraA1: Debbie left :(?
[2007.03.26 21:23:28] Adam: lol
[2007.03.26 21:23:29] shopaholicchick: yeah well marty just because you (not you personally) dropped the ball does not mean you should hose all of us over it
[2007.03.26 21:23:29] janelle: I agree with Lekker Jen, that the program was not explained to us like it should have been
[2007.03.26 21:23:30] Towal: a lot of people never even heard of affiliate programs before. it takes a while for people to get around to doing stuff and then it takes another while for that stuff to get traffic etc
[2007.03.26 21:23:34] kippy: She left months ago
[2007.03.26 21:23:38] SagArt: It was in limbo so long after she left, it just died!
[2007.03.26 21:23:40] Nina: you're right, shadow..
[2007.03.26 21:23:41] MartyCP: Resources, folks. How many things do you guys want us to do? Would you really put affiliate program at the top? (I wouldn't.)
[2007.03.26 21:23:41] shopaholicchick: you should keep us informed
[2007.03.26 21:23:45] shopaholicchick: and give us the chance to fix it
[2007.03.26 21:23:49] shopaholicchick: before you tell us all to bend over
[2007.03.26 21:23:52] absolute cotton: I like being able to affiliate - and I have an account at CJ. I expect to have all the privileges of a normal CJ publisher... including setting a cookie when someone leaves my site for cafepress. Even if that exit was from a shopping cart for my own products. I should be able to set a cookie for my own products... just in case a cookie already exists from another affiliate.
[2007.03.26 21:23:57] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Marty, I have suspected for a long time that CP was run by people who started in a garage and can't translate to larger scale aided bt people for whom language is a second language but jargon makes them feel knowledgable.
[2007.03.26 21:24:03] shopaholicchick: yes we would marty
[2007.03.26 21:24:04] foxvox: LOL. I put shop tools at the top. Including cpshop. :-D
[2007.03.26 21:24:06] slamdunk: since the new program is going to happen... what is our most important request??? It sounds like finding a way to get a cookie for bringing in new customers... is that right? Maybe it would help to have one specific thing to focus on, and make it work as well as possible:-c
[2007.03.26 21:24:12] blonde_designs: i think i have to agree...had we been warned prior...we as sk's could have done something
[2007.03.26 21:24:16] shopaholicchick: if you told us to go out and get extrenal links or lose the program we would have done it
[2007.03.26 21:24:18] FaeryMegggggg: Well, I'd rather you put it close to the top or completely drop it before opening us up to CJ
[2007.03.26 21:24:18] maryo: Shop Management at the top
[2007.03.26 21:24:18] SagArt: Anything is better than CJ
[2007.03.26 21:24:22] Adam: no i wouldnt marty.
[2007.03.26 21:24:25] dooni designs: a good point is cp will have more time and money to concentrate on other cp issues and features other than an internal affiliate shop that was losing money... NO??????
[2007.03.26 21:24:32] shopaholicchick: instead of not giving us the choice and just deciding for us
[2007.03.26 21:24:32] zoescloset: i agree with slamdunk
[2007.03.26 21:24:36] Towal: the company made 50 million dollars and you can't hire a few bodies to help out? You have to spend money to make it as the saying goes. What you are doing (you being CP) is spending OUR money to make yours :(
[2007.03.26 21:24:49] Adam: cp need to be the best at what they do and they aren't doing a great job. how long does it take to add a product?
[2007.03.26 21:24:53] foxvox: Dooni - that would be a nice benefit if that pans out, indeed.
[2007.03.26 21:24:55] Lekker Jen: I would have ignored other stuff if I knew the Aff program was on the way out
[2007.03.26 21:25:02] Karyn: it must have taken a lot of money to develop their own shirts, guys...
[2007.03.26 21:25:05] maryo: yep what Adam said
[2007.03.26 21:25:08] Adam: i've been walking my cousin through for the first time
[2007.03.26 21:25:09] maryo: Site infrastructure
[2007.03.26 21:25:12] absolute cotton: All this bitching at marty isn't helping us to understand how we can profit from this. CJ is a done deal, and we have to adapt.
[2007.03.26 21:25:14] Adam: and it's emabarrassing
[2007.03.26 21:25:17] Jolent: hmmm
[2007.03.26 21:25:18] cowpie: We're all CP people here. We'd do anything to hold our community together. We should have been told that the affiliate program was in trouble. We could have done something about it, hopefully.
[2007.03.26 21:25:23] kiwi: Gaaah! Did CP really, really expect the affiliate program to make money the first year???? That's incredible.
[2007.03.26 21:25:26] Nina: Again, why can't we have both? The old program for CP shopkeepers ONLY, and the CJ program for the "big guys"??
[2007.03.26 21:25:27] Adam: he said no wonder you dotn do this anymore
[2007.03.26 21:25:29] shopaholicchick: OMG adam last night it took me 25 minutes to add 1 design to product
[2007.03.26 21:25:29] dooni designs: im trying to keep an open mind
[2007.03.26 21:25:30] MartyCP: Depends on what you mean by adding a product. It takes anywhere from 2 weeks to a year, depending on the definition.
[2007.03.26 21:25:37] MartyCP: Oh. You mean to a store?
[2007.03.26 21:25:41] maryo: yeah
[2007.03.26 21:25:42] slamdunk: thanks zoe... the board is moving too fast :)(
[2007.03.26 21:25:44] Adam: yeah dummy :P
[2007.03.26 21:25:45] MartyCP: Or to the catalog?
[2007.03.26 21:25:50] foxvox: To a store.
[2007.03.26 21:25:53] ppix1: My issue is the cookie thing. I don't like being punished for being a shopkeeper. I don't want to be paid twice. I just want to be paid for what I've done. An affiliate shouldn't get that because I can't override an undeserved cookie.
[2007.03.26 21:25:55] Adam: us add a product to a store
[2007.03.26 21:25:56] MartyCP: Oh, adding a product to a store takes waaaay too long.
[2007.03.26 21:26:02] MartyCP: That's what I'm working on now.
[2007.03.26 21:26:03] shopaholicchick: marty 25 minutes to put a designt hat was already in my image basket onto the product
[2007.03.26 21:26:06] shopaholicchick: for 1 design
[2007.03.26 21:26:10] slamdunk: agree ppix
[2007.03.26 21:26:14] Adam: right so. this is what cp do.. so lets do it better
[2007.03.26 21:26:14] shopaholicchick: and i was not readjusting sizes or anything
[2007.03.26 21:26:16] shopaholicchick: just a basic add
[2007.03.26 21:26:17] Towal: there is SO much redundancy in adding products...I'll bitch about my other pet peeve for a while :P
[2007.03.26 21:26:19] Lekker Jen: imacros - check it out
[2007.03.26 21:26:25] MartyCP: Actually, I was just saying to Angela that I'd love to run some of my ideas by people in person, if I get the opportunity.
[2007.03.26 21:26:25] The_Amazing Shadow: I am looking for a few good disciples for the cookie thing.....
[2007.03.26 21:26:28] Lekker Jen: makes things a little quicker
[2007.03.26 21:26:32] FaeryMegggggg: Yeah I've fallen asleep many times putting designs on products.
[2007.03.26 21:26:36] janelle: shopaholic, are you on dial up? if not try adding stuff that way.:whistle:
[2007.03.26 21:26:36] shopaholicchick: yeah well have a meeting on the east coast
[2007.03.26 21:26:41] Adam: SF to LON
[2007.03.26 21:26:42] slamdunk: OK shadow... that's my main focus at this point
[2007.03.26 21:26:43] foxvox: Oooh - I'll be a run-by person if you need some!
[2007.03.26 21:26:44] MartyCP: I think it'd make shopkeepers lives so, so, so much easier.
[2007.03.26 21:26:48] jean / rotemgear: Marty, ahve I missed you address the issue of outside affilaite and program grabbing SK cookies and commissions?
[2007.03.26 21:26:51] Adam: Virgin atlantic
[2007.03.26 21:26:52] shopaholicchick: no janell i am on cable modem!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:26:53] Nina: Wouldn't having an in-house affiliate program for hardworking shopkeepers be an incentive for them to work even harder? Give CJ to non-SK's.
[2007.03.26 21:26:57] shopaholicchick: thats why i am so pissed!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:26:59] Timewarp: I have to go but wanted to say THANKS MARTY for sticking around, much appreciated!
[2007.03.26 21:27:03] absolute cotton: I'll be your disciple, Shadow... as long as you're the one martyred
[2007.03.26 21:27:05] shopaholicchick: i click the link and sit here and wait
[2007.03.26 21:27:08] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Oh, Marty - if there's a Cp Meet'n'greet in Atlanta - you will get both Sag Art and myself .
[2007.03.26 21:27:10] Lekker Jen: I'd love to go to San Fran - as long as I get shopping time
[2007.03.26 21:27:10] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": LOL
[2007.03.26 21:27:11] janelle: You're on cable, lucky you.
[2007.03.26 21:27:16] Timewarp has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:27:17] shopaholicchick: and if i double click the thing to speed it up - it double adds the product!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:27:18] The_Amazing Shadow: yeah..thanks Marty...you are a brave man to be the only CP person...lol
[2007.03.26 21:27:33] Adam: thats cos he's a SK at heart ;)
[2007.03.26 21:27:33] shopaholicchick: janelle on dial up it would have taken me 4 hours to add 1 design
[2007.03.26 21:27:37] Towal: isn't it a bit unrealistic to think that a program would be in the black the first year?
[2007.03.26 21:27:39] shopaholicchick: and i would have quit
[2007.03.26 21:27:47] shopaholicchick: i agree with towal
[2007.03.26 21:27:48] FaeryMegggggg: lol I'm on dial-up
[2007.03.26 21:27:56] FaeryMegggggg: I feel like a real trooper.
[2007.03.26 21:27:57] absolute cotton: yeah - i wouldn't want to be saddled with a chat about now. it probably bums cp employees out biiiig time to read the boards
[2007.03.26 21:27:58] Suntop: how do u make a new room on this thing? ..or can only 'members' do that? (with a password that is..) ?
[2007.03.26 21:27:58] janelle: sometimes it does. why do you think my shops are such a mess?
[2007.03.26 21:28:01] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": OK, ther is not another janell here. The chat will cease to exist.
[2007.03.26 21:28:04] CobraA1: Well, CP has no control over how fast your connection is . . .
[2007.03.26 21:28:10] shopaholicchick: faery i have 4500 designs i would have hung myself by now on dial up
[2007.03.26 21:28:12] RJoe: Is there a transcript of the official chat up?
[2007.03.26 21:28:13] G guy: Yeah, I was planning on adding a few hundred sub affs. Oh well.
[2007.03.26 21:28:14] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
[2007.03.26 21:28:15] palmetto: Shadow -- I'm inno the cookie deal. Although I'm not sure where you're going with it.
[2007.03.26 21:28:16] zoescloset has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:28:19] tabitha: Jazilla - I'm in Atlanta too!
[2007.03.26 21:28:20] shopaholicchick: rj i have it
[2007.03.26 21:28:26] SagArt: Marty, not blowing smoke up your arse but we do appreciate you so much and your willingness to talk with us.
[2007.03.26 21:28:27] janelle: Yeah, there is another janelle, glad we spell it different.:)
[2007.03.26 21:28:35] FaeryMegggggg: If we had high speed here, I would be all over it.
[2007.03.26 21:28:41] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": Knoxville, actually - but can you imagine Sag & me tag teaming CP?
[2007.03.26 21:28:42] jean / rotemgear: Marty, what about the loyalty program concerns everyone is talking about?
[2007.03.26 21:28:44] absolute cotton: Yeah, shadow. the cookie deal will work and not violate the tos.
[2007.03.26 21:28:50] jean / rotemgear: can you address th at?
[2007.03.26 21:28:55] kiwi: I want my cookie too, Shadow.
[2007.03.26 21:28:56] Lekker Jen: please???
[2007.03.26 21:28:57] MartyCP: Towal -- like most smaller companies (and we are still fairly small, believe it or not), we suffer from resource issues. People, time, servers, blah blah blah. And it's hard to pick things to work on, because so many other things get ignored.
[2007.03.26 21:28:58] FaeryMegggggg: Instead we have wolves, coyotes, and bears...and Walmart. That's what living in the U.P. is.
[2007.03.26 21:28:58] RJoe: SA can I get that from you?
[2007.03.26 21:29:04] G guy: Marty, I think you can call just about any one of us anytime. :)
[2007.03.26 21:29:10] The_Amazing Shadow: Palmetto - being able to use CJ links for our store for cookie purposes...NOT affiliate commission
[2007.03.26 21:29:11] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": <--- C O O K I E
[2007.03.26 21:29:17] slamdunk: since we can't keep this from changing... can we just focus on the cookie problem? Maybe we'll get a better response if we don't complain about other stuff we can work around. The cookie seems pretty important.
[2007.03.26 21:29:19] shopaholicchick: marty right now what is ignored is the shopkeepers input
[2007.03.26 21:29:22] givitup: I have to leave - will someone print somewhere on the forums Marty's promise to get CP to change the cookie setting for us from outside source to our shop?
[2007.03.26 21:29:38] ppix1: Cookie cookie cookie Shadow. Lead on.
[2007.03.26 21:29:39] Suntop: how do you make a new room on this thing? or can only moderators/members with a password do it?
[2007.03.26 21:29:40] MartyCP: My promise?
[2007.03.26 21:29:40] Towal: I realize that, but frankly I'm not sure that justifies throwing the people that make you money under the bus ;)
[2007.03.26 21:29:42] MartyCP: ?
[2007.03.26 21:29:47] kippy: yes, can we just focus on the cookie issue?
[2007.03.26 21:29:49] JaNell DBA "JaZilla": <3 Marty for that.
[2007.03.26 21:29:51] janelle: Janelle DBA missingnebrask redneck humor and more.
[2007.03.26 21:29:57] FaeryMegggggg: Sun, you can't.
[2007.03.26 21:30:00] Suntop: :whistle:
[2007.03.26 21:30:05] maryo: Hey Marty I just wanted to apologize if some of our questions are putting you on the spot. I know it's not your job to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING at CP LOL.
[2007.03.26 21:30:06] Suntop: ok..
[2007.03.26 21:30:08] givitup: I'm sure they will get you to promise by the time they are thru;)
[2007.03.26 21:30:09] shopaholicchick: suntop you are in the wrong place you need to go to the forums to the message board
[2007.03.26 21:30:15] Jolent: the cookie issue seems to be the biggest issue with the affiliate change
[2007.03.26 21:30:27] absolute cotton: biiig time
[2007.03.26 21:30:28] FaeryMegggggg: You mean MArty isn't the Oracle?
[2007.03.26 21:30:29] Shawn - Pristinephoto: but he does Mary... heheh
[2007.03.26 21:30:29] palmetto: That's where I thought you were going Shadow -- I'm definitely with you.
[2007.03.26 21:30:30] MartyCP: Okay, I'll try to explain the cookie thing.
[2007.03.26 21:30:36] ppix1: I definitely read that Marty promised that.;)
[2007.03.26 21:30:42] Eddie has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 21:30:44] Suntop: shopaholicchick, i allready asked my question there ..just looking around now ;)
[2007.03.26 21:30:45] absolute cotton: shh - we're getting cookies
[2007.03.26 21:31:03] janelle: Eddie, hang onto your behind:-o
[2007.03.26 21:31:04] shopaholicchick: sun this chat only opens for scheduled chats on specific topics
[2007.03.26 21:31:05] The_Amazing Shadow: I di have Oreos in the house, but the cookie I am looking for
[2007.03.26 21:31:15] shopaholicchick: you just happened to stumble into a special chat
[2007.03.26 21:31:15] The_Amazing Shadow: not the cookie
[2007.03.26 21:31:16] FaeryMegggggg: Mmmm. Oreos
[2007.03.26 21:31:17] MartyCP: With the old program, everything occurs at CafePress.
[2007.03.26 21:31:21] givitup: Wait, Marty, did you mean you will try to explain the cookie thing to THEM (right?)
[2007.03.26 21:31:25] Adam: everyone sssh let him type please i wana hear this
[2007.03.26 21:31:26] MartyCP: Cookie setting, orders, affiliate PIDs, etc.
[2007.03.26 21:31:27] Suntop: yeah i noticed..
[2007.03.26 21:31:42] Eddie: you all know that this is probably being recorded and can be retrieved by CP, right?
[2007.03.26 21:31:49] ppix1: I could easily live with the change if I am fed lots of cookies.
[2007.03.26 21:31:53] shopaholicchick: :bow: adam
[2007.03.26 21:31:54] FaeryMegggggg: and the government, yes.
[2007.03.26 21:31:55] MartyCP: Because of that, we can make sure we don't do silly things, like give an affiliate commission to someone for referring traffic to their own store.
[2007.03.26 21:32:04] Eddie: even your PMs to one another are probably being recorded
[2007.03.26 21:32:08] janelle: Yeah for quality assurance reasons!:P
[2007.03.26 21:32:11] Eddie: so bee careful
[2007.03.26 21:32:13] blonde_designs: lol
[2007.03.26 21:32:14] FaeryMegggggg: which is really nice.
[2007.03.26 21:32:24] MartyCP: There's also other non-benefits, like being stuck with our internal affiliate reporting, which stinks.
[2007.03.26 21:32:34] Nina: yes, we understand it is easier to track that when it's inhouse...
[2007.03.26 21:32:34] Towal: given that Marty works for CP I doubt too many of us are worried about that just now
[2007.03.26 21:32:42] absolute cotton: they have to be recorded by the eve software, or they wouldn't be able for you to read.
[2007.03.26 21:32:50] FaeryMegggggg: could it eventually be improved?
[2007.03.26 21:32:51] Eddie: okay, np.
[2007.03.26 21:32:54] SagArt: Eddie, honesty serves a purpose in life even if it gets so hot in here that the chickens are laying hard boiled eggs.;)
[2007.03.26 21:32:54] Eddie: ta
[2007.03.26 21:32:58] Eddie has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:33:09] CobraA1: Everybody can save a transcript of this. There's a button on the toolbar.
[2007.03.26 21:33:10] janelle: Sagart, I like boiled eggs.
[2007.03.26 21:33:14] Towal: (your reporting in general sticks)
[2007.03.26 21:33:15] absolute cotton: damn... you scared him away
[2007.03.26 21:33:19] ppix1: I'm very grateful for a little honesty and frank talk right now.
[2007.03.26 21:33:25] MartyCP: And yes, we tried to work on the tracking system, but it's a big problem that I won't go into here. Let it suffice to say that we need really good tracking, we don't have it, and it's hard to build.
[2007.03.26 21:33:26] FaeryMegggggg: me too
[2007.03.26 21:33:36] janelle: Cotton, sorry.:bow:
[2007.03.26 21:33:51] givitup: I say save it this transcript and making copies for everyone at CP
[2007.03.26 21:34:06] shopaholicchick: giv i have the transcriopt saved:-x
[2007.03.26 21:34:07] MartyCP: With CJ, we're dishing off the order tracking to them. That has good and bad ramifications.
[2007.03.26 21:34:11] G guy: Can't buy a system Marty?
[2007.03.26 21:34:26] janelle: givitup, save it for me, you guys are typing faster than I can read and drink!;)
[2007.03.26 21:34:27] MartyCP: (I'll get to that)
[2007.03.26 21:34:34] ppix1: Yes. This unmoderated room has been much better about getting the point across than any official chat. Thank you for sticking around Marty.
[2007.03.26 21:34:38] Towal: um if you (CP) can't track good why should we believe that we are being properly credited now?
[2007.03.26 21:34:46] foxvox:
[2007.03.26 21:34:47] MartyCP: Different kind of tracking, Towal.
[2007.03.26 21:34:48] shopaholicchick: towal i know we are not
[2007.03.26 21:34:50] I been robbed: I wanna be a disciple Shadow.... gonna stomp yer butt in sales next year.... but I gotta start somewhere..... :-D
[2007.03.26 21:35:05] Towal: ok well your other tracking sucks too. can you hand that off to someone to fix too? :)
[2007.03.26 21:35:08] MartyCP: Actually, that part is really bulletproof. It's the traffic tracking (custom tracking, etc.) that stinks.
[2007.03.26 21:35:15] shopaholicchick: i watched someone viz my site tracker go from someones shop tom mine and buy something yesterday - and that link had a pID - and that shop did not get thier money
[2007.03.26 21:35:44] shopaholicchick: because it was not taken out of mine even though i can see where the person came from
[2007.03.26 21:35:45] The_Amazing Shadow: ok robbed.... I feel bullet proof after this month though :)
[2007.03.26 21:35:46] Adam: yeah it does stink when someone elses TIDs end up in your reports
[2007.03.26 21:35:47] FaeryMegggggg: there's probably a logical explanation
[2007.03.26 21:36:00] Towal: by traffic does that mean that the source column is known to be inaccurate?
[2007.03.26 21:36:14] MartyCP: I don't want to digress, but that part of the system is actually excellent. (Not all PIDs are supposed to generate a commission, for example.)
[2007.03.26 21:36:29] MartyCP: Okay, back to CJ.
[2007.03.26 21:36:43] Nina: thanks
[2007.03.26 21:37:01] blonde_designs: marty let me say, i am glad your still here cuz im like CLUELESS and for you to take your time to answer more ?'s is like cool
[2007.03.26 21:37:14] blonde_designs: :bow:
[2007.03.26 21:37:20] absolute cotton: it's exactly like cool
[2007.03.26 21:37:30] BWS: only bigger
[2007.03.26 21:37:40] blonde_designs: lol true dat yoooooo
[2007.03.26 21:37:45] Shawn - Pristinephoto: so what happens when I send someone to the marketplace through my CJ link and they browse and find my products there and buy? there HAS to be a way on the cp system to prevent double dipping as you guys call it.. unless you are telling us that we are going to get affiliate commissions on our stuff that is sold in the marketplace.. see my point, there has to be programming to support it.. lol
[2007.03.26 21:37:47] absolute cotton: and not direct printed...
[2007.03.26 21:37:49] G guy: YEah Marty. I'm even going to buy a copy of CP shop even tho I may never use it. :)
[2007.03.26 21:38:22] Nina: keep talkin' Marty...we're listening
[2007.03.26 21:38:31] MartyCP: I'm typing...one sec...
[2007.03.26 21:38:40] absolute cotton: shelby said "allowances for rare unintentional self-affiliation will be made"
[2007.03.26 21:39:02] The_Amazing Shadow: Self-affillation - that sounds so wrong
[2007.03.26 21:39:03] Adam: yeah i dont think it can go live until thats fixed marty.. is that an issue that will affect go live?
[2007.03.26 21:39:03] MartyCP: The Good: With CJ, we get a system that is managed by a 3rd party company. We get an established network of affiliates that all are really good at affiliate marketing, many of which want to work with us, but weren't willing to integrate with our outside system. We get reporting that doesn't suck. And we get advertising in a big network outside of our internal efforts.
[2007.03.26 21:39:05] Towal: how rare is rare? what if you just happen to have a really popular design in the MP?
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[2007.03.26 21:39:08] absolute cotton: meaning, once in a while is okay
[2007.03.26 21:39:11] Shawn - Pristinephoto: how do they know what is rare and unintentional? lol
[2007.03.26 21:39:15] slamdunk: but with CJ, we're forced to refer only to other people's shops... and not promote our own? or we're penalized?
[2007.03.26 21:39:23] The_Amazing Shadow: I agree with all of that marty. The problem lies with the fact CP decided this change and since they don't know how to implement this where SK's are involved, the solution is to tell us we can't use CJ links, which is preventing us from setting cookies when externally linking to our shop. That's a MAJOR flaw. I am just saying CP needs to find a real solution.
[2007.03.26 21:39:26] FaeryMegggggg: I almost thought it said sel-annihlation
[2007.03.26 21:39:30] janelle: Yay Marty for staying in the kitchen when the fire is on high! Ya gonna get a bonus for this?
[2007.03.26 21:39:34] Jolent: they do have a system to prevent double dipping...the problem is they tell us to promote our shops....but if we can't link to our own shops with our affiliate id's, then we can no longer promote them and make the bonus on the sales
[2007.03.26 21:39:48] maryo: ?
[2007.03.26 21:40:01] Adam: they dont jolent
[2007.03.26 21:40:08] Adam: not with cj
[2007.03.26 21:40:11] Jolent: explain Adam
[2007.03.26 21:40:22] Adam: marty is trying to
[2007.03.26 21:40:24] Jolent: they cant prevent double dipping?
[2007.03.26 21:40:26] absolute cotton: I'd imagine, shawn, that they'd look at percentages. if every link to the marketplace sells one of your items, then you've probably been very selective and chose a marketplace portal you dominated
[2007.03.26 21:40:32] slamdunk: but with CJ, we're forced to refer only to other people's shops... and not promote our own? or we're penalized?
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[2007.03.26 21:40:53] Jolent: thats how I read it slamdunk
[2007.03.26 21:40:58] maryo: no no no
[2007.03.26 21:41:07] maryo: you just can't link with your affiliate id
[2007.03.26 21:41:26] maryo: or am I misunderstanding you?
[2007.03.26 21:41:27] The_Amazing Shadow: maryo - which are just "free" links for CP
[2007.03.26 21:41:30] absolute cotton: i have a question about that, when marty's fingers catch up
[2007.03.26 21:41:30] MartyCP: The bad: We can't tell one CJ affiliate from another in our system. CJ knows the difference, but we don't. So we can prevent double dipping with an automated solution. So we're going to have to use other methods (examining link behavior, looking at homepages, statistical analysis, that sort of thing). It's work, but still cheaper than supporting the infrastructure required for our own system.
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[2007.03.26 21:41:35] slamdunk: but with no id... no commission on other in-house sales?
[2007.03.26 21:41:39] MartyCP: Hold on -- typo.
[2007.03.26 21:41:43] blonde_designs: i need it explained in "moron" terms so i can understand it lol.
[2007.03.26 21:41:45] Jolent: if you cant link with your affiliate id, you cant leave a COOKIE for you to make affiliate sales when they LEAVE your shop
[2007.03.26 21:41:47] Shawn - Pristinephoto: yeah.. and take this into consideration... if we can't set the cookie on an external link to our own shop and there is already a cookie on the shoppers machine, is the exsisting affiliate going to get a commission off of your traffic?
[2007.03.26 21:41:49] MartyCP: So we CAN'T prevent double dipping with an automated solution.
[2007.03.26 21:42:01] Towal: but unless you picked a portal that was based on your special tag (for example) how can they decide that? maybe you happen to be the only with with Xoloitzcuintle designs?
[2007.03.26 21:42:13] Adam: but it will end up that one day you;ll sell ur own products via an aff link. what CP cant work out is the fact that the affiliate is you - the shop keeper. there is no identifiable relationship
[2007.03.26 21:42:14] MartyCP: Okay, it looks like the subject has changed.
[2007.03.26 21:42:18] absolute cotton: I understand, marty... and we don't WANT to double-dip..
[2007.03.26 21:42:22] The_Amazing Shadow: The problem is without such a system, we as Shopkeep-Affiliates are at a disadvantage
[2007.03.26 21:42:23] Nina: but doesn't it make sense that the portals we would be promoting are ones that have similar themes to our blog or website? And similar designs in our shops?
[2007.03.26 21:42:28] blonde_designs: man oh man i am lost
[2007.03.26 21:42:31] Shawn - Pristinephoto: why can't you build in a CJ id into the shopkeeper member section and cross-reference?
[2007.03.26 21:42:38] MartyCP: Simply put, if you link to your own store, we'll pay you twice.
[2007.03.26 21:42:44] G guy: So CJ is unwilling to give a company that they can't handle their full feed a special pid Like...CPxxxxx?
[2007.03.26 21:42:48] absolute cotton: but we do want to set a cookie for traffic that bounces around once we send them to the shopping cart (or our own stores)
[2007.03.26 21:42:50] Jolent: Marty, that seems to the the ONE thing they need to work on and fix then
[2007.03.26 21:43:02] Nina: Why would we want to promote the, say, pet portal, if we make political designs and run a politcal blog and website?
[2007.03.26 21:43:13] The_Amazing Shadow: There needs to be a method for us to set a cookie but not get a coomission on our stuff
[2007.03.26 21:43:13] MartyCP: I want to make something clear:
[2007.03.26 21:43:22] Towal: no go on Marty. I'm just tossing stuff out to Shadow
[2007.03.26 21:43:37] Adam: why not develop a unique linking system that works in conjunction with CJ?
[2007.03.26 21:43:38] Jolent: agreed amazing
[2007.03.26 21:43:48] Nina: For some of us, most of our off-CP links to the marketplace portals will ALWAYS look like we're trying to double dip, when all we want to do is stay with our theme...
[2007.03.26 21:43:53] Adam: dont ebay have somethign that acts like a middle man between them and CJ?
[2007.03.26 21:44:00] MartyCP: If you accidentally link to your own products through the marketplace -- no intent -- we're fine with it.
[2007.03.26 21:44:11] Adam: how about..
[2007.03.26 21:44:14] MartyCP: Ebay has a special deal with CJ.
[2007.03.26 21:44:18] MartyCP: A very special deal.
[2007.03.26 21:44:22] Adam: we still use our own PID links ?
[2007.03.26 21:44:24] Lekker Jen: Yeah - Why would I promote a completely different cat with a niche shop?
[2007.03.26 21:44:26] MartyCP: They're much, much, much bigger than us.
[2007.03.26 21:44:29] absolute cotton: marty, can we use an affiliate link to an unaffiliated product?
[2007.03.26 21:44:32] Adam: heh
[2007.03.26 21:44:40] Towal: I have a question
[2007.03.26 21:44:45] absolute cotton: I don't want credit for my own products, but i do want the cookie
[2007.03.26 21:44:50] MartyCP: If your store is opted out, and you link to it with an affiliate link, I don't think anyone will complain.
[2007.03.26 21:45:00] absolute cotton: cool. we can set a cookie
[2007.03.26 21:45:03] ppix1: I don't want to opt out though.
[2007.03.26 21:45:06] Jolent: how then, Marty, if we have our own website are we to promote our own shop, and at the same time, be an affiliate and make a commission on sales other then our own items?
[2007.03.26 21:45:09] ppix1: And I want my cookie.
[2007.03.26 21:45:12] absolute cotton: if we have a duplicate shop opted out
[2007.03.26 21:45:13] The_Amazing Shadow: mirrored store Ppix
[2007.03.26 21:45:24] Towal: if I'm not a shopkeeper and ONLY an affiliate and I send traffic from my offsite web page to CP (anywhere on CP) and that traffic browses to a different area than I sent them to do I STILL get credit for the sale?
[2007.03.26 21:45:34] ppix1: Lead on Shadow. I've already signed up with Marty, I just haven't had him set me up yet!
[2007.03.26 21:45:36] slamdunk: cost of TWO premium shops, Shadow?
[2007.03.26 21:45:37] MartyCP: Towal -- yes.
[2007.03.26 21:45:42] Adam: CP are just going to go into the black again? are they not?
[2007.03.26 21:45:43] Lekker Jen: So then we'll all have to pull ut of the marketplace to get what we want - or duplicate our shaop(s) - quite a a chore
[2007.03.26 21:45:49] cowpie: What's the definition of a mirrored shop?
[2007.03.26 21:45:49] The_Amazing Shadow: yes you do towal...because they can use CJ links...we can't
[2007.03.26 21:45:56] Towal: so why then if I AM a shopkeeper am I penalized?
[2007.03.26 21:45:57] MartyCP: CP is profitable. The old affiliate program was not.
[2007.03.26 21:46:03] absolute cotton: the cost for two shops is trivial. one or two affiliate sales a month
[2007.03.26 21:46:05] dooni designs: we can still link to our products directly on an outside site with no affiliate link AND have products on the same site with affiliate links right?
[2007.03.26 21:46:10] The_Amazing Shadow: that's my complaint Towal
[2007.03.26 21:46:13] Adam: if u are paying us twice - you;ll sink
[2007.03.26 21:46:14] MartyCP: Towal -- because we'd be double paying you.
[2007.03.26 21:46:29] Towal: um that is MY fault how?
[2007.03.26 21:46:30] The_Amazing Shadow: have I introduced my wife who as of today is an affiliate marketer?
[2007.03.26 21:46:39] Shawn - Pristinephoto: lol.. so fix the system before converting so it doesn't
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[2007.03.26 21:46:42] slamdunk: I'm thinking the same thing shadow
[2007.03.26 21:46:46] absolute cotton: they lack the ability to distinguish, towal... so the tos is understandably vague
[2007.03.26 21:46:52] ppix1: Nice to meet you Mrs. Shadow.
[2007.03.26 21:46:53] slamdunk: maybe I own the shop.. and hubby has the CJ account?
[2007.03.26 21:46:55] FaeryMegggggg: Sometimes things aren't easy to fix.
[2007.03.26 21:46:56] The_Amazing Shadow: lol
[2007.03.26 21:46:58] Adam: yeah dont go live like this for petes sake
[2007.03.26 21:46:58] shopaholicchick: OMG does everyone realize that squidoo is likley going to drop the CP modules?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[2007.03.26 21:46:59] Jolent: doonie, I'd say yes...but CP once said only outside shops override previous set cookies
[2007.03.26 21:47:00] maryo: no you wouldn't tho - because we're not asking for aff commission on our products - just for a cookie to be set for other people's products
[2007.03.26 21:47:02] Towal: you are penalizing me for your (CP not YOU) shortcomings and you (CP) think this isn't going to cause a big problem for SKs?
[2007.03.26 21:47:08] The_Amazing Shadow: I told her...she asked what the hell is that....lol
[2007.03.26 21:47:10] kiwi: It's not really double pay Marty - someone at CP needs to do the match. What I might make in affiliate commish, I lose in volume bonus.
[2007.03.26 21:47:22] absolute cotton: lol - shadow, you make more in bonuses than affiliates make in sales:P
[2007.03.26 21:47:23] kiwi: err - math not match
[2007.03.26 21:47:24] Shawn - Pristinephoto: thats the problem Marty, CP is rushing into this before they have thought the system through... lol
[2007.03.26 21:47:46] The_Amazing Shadow: that's where the amazing part comes in Carl
[2007.03.26 21:47:58] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 21:48:00] slamdunk: so, if affiliate sales don't affect volume bonus... couldn't we all have our spouses name on the CJ accounts?
[2007.03.26 21:48:01] Adam: i know i am going to be done for double dipping lol
[2007.03.26 21:48:05] ppix1: I'm starting to understand all of this better.
[2007.03.26 21:48:07] Adam: without my intent
[2007.03.26 21:48:10] Nina: absolutely, kiwi...
[2007.03.26 21:48:16] ppix1: The problem isn't CP being mean, it's CP not being able to handle it.
[2007.03.26 21:48:20] ppix1: I say wait!
[2007.03.26 21:48:22] The_Amazing Shadow: Adam that is my convern... the old system prevented this
[2007.03.26 21:48:26] The_Amazing Shadow: concern
[2007.03.26 21:48:41] Towal: If *I* as a shopkeeper send traffic to CP from my own site or blog or adwords or whatever it seems unfair that not only do I NOT get credit, but someone else COULD get credit though belonging to a loyalty program (and probably other ways that my wee brain can't grasp)
[2007.03.26 21:48:45] Jolent: the old system prevented double dipping? Yes?
[2007.03.26 21:48:53] Adam: yes i want marty to acknowledge it as a problem
[2007.03.26 21:49:05] dooni designs: ok waht about us.. or ME who has 2 seperate cp accounts in my name?
[2007.03.26 21:49:06] Adam: one that should affect the entire thing going live
[2007.03.26 21:49:07] MartyCP: Acknowledge... what?
[2007.03.26 21:49:08] kiwi: yes, Jolent
[2007.03.26 21:49:13] JaNell DBA "JaZilla" has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:49:16] MartyCP: Too many posts.
[2007.03.26 21:49:20] MartyCP: Adam?
[2007.03.26 21:49:23] Towal: I don't think they are being "mean" per se. They are penalzing ME for something that is really THEIR problem through :(
[2007.03.26 21:49:26] Adam: double dippping
[2007.03.26 21:49:26] The_Amazing Shadow: Adam.. it's not a problem because we were told not to do it... problem solved!
[2007.03.26 21:49:34] dooni designs: i could technically LEGALLY double dip no?
[2007.03.26 21:49:35] Adam: and the fact you cant identify it
[2007.03.26 21:49:42] dooni designs: not that im gonna but.... the system
[2007.03.26 21:49:45] Towal: that's kinda like saying if it hurts to poke your sore don't do it :P
[2007.03.26 21:49:46] Adam: oh ok lol not
[2007.03.26 21:49:49] shopaholicchick: someome at CP dropped the ball - and now they are hosing all of us for thier error
[2007.03.26 21:50:14] Shawn - Pristinephoto: easy solution is allow shopkeepers to attach their CJ member ID to their shopkeeper accounts and cross-reference.. then it wouldn't be double dipping.. or create a * system like Zazzle prior to conversion so shopkeeper affiliates aren't penalized and still get their affiliate cookie they deserve for referring a shopper from offsite into the system
[2007.03.26 21:50:19] blonde_designs: dear god i think i need a shot after all this
[2007.03.26 21:50:21] absolute cotton: you could legally double dip, dooni - if your spouse became an affiliate
[2007.03.26 21:50:21] kiwi: Marty - acknowlege that dis-allowing the cookie to our own shops is a problem. Penalizes SKs in favor of other CJ affiliates.
[2007.03.26 21:50:23] The_Amazing Shadow: it's kinda like speeding but you know you ren't supposed to.... but the 400hp whispers....faster...faster
[2007.03.26 21:50:28] Towal: Marty with the way I explained it does it help you understand why WE are upset about this? I've never been sure that CP is picking up what we are putting down
[2007.03.26 21:50:32] shopaholicchick: blonde pour 2 for me
[2007.03.26 21:50:33] FaeryMegggggg: It probably all comes down to the money - are they gonna make more worrying about a "few" SKers double-dipping or losing out, or by signing over to CJ a tad bit early?
[2007.03.26 21:50:38] ppix1: Yep Towal. That's what I'm finally understanding. They're not ready to handle this, so we are suffering for it. I honestly feel a bit better now.
[2007.03.26 21:50:39] shopaholicchick: and you know i dont drink
[2007.03.26 21:50:46] Shawn - Pristinephoto: the problem is that the change is being rushed and not giving time for those key elements to be figured out and implemented :(
[2007.03.26 21:50:47] blonde_designs: lmfao i was just gonna say that
[2007.03.26 21:51:03] The_Amazing Shadow: double dipping shouldn't be an issue... we are only 1/4% !!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:51:09] dooni designs: lol
[2007.03.26 21:51:11] maryo: lol
[2007.03.26 21:51:12] Adam: yes. this kink needs to be ironed out first not during
[2007.03.26 21:51:16] Shawn - Pristinephoto: lol shadow
[2007.03.26 21:51:17] ppix1: NIce idea Shawn!
[2007.03.26 21:51:22] Lekker Jen: maybe we've all just reached :acceptance"?
[2007.03.26 21:51:23] blonde_designs: my blonde brain is over loaded w/all this info it may combust
[2007.03.26 21:51:23] Jolent: Simply put....I want to send people to my shop so I can make a bonus on the sale (not an affiliate commission) HOWEVER I still want to put a cookie on their system so when they leave my shop, I will then make a commission on affilate sales from whereever they go.....if I cannot put a cookie link to my own shop...I'm SOL
[2007.03.26 21:51:24] MartyCP: If double dipping was legal, who here would do it?
[2007.03.26 21:51:24] slamdunk: yes, we get a cookie in Zazzle for bringing people in through our shop... we should be able to do that here
[2007.03.26 21:51:34] Adam: nope
[2007.03.26 21:51:47] slamdunk: don't want to double dip... just want commission on bringing people in-house
[2007.03.26 21:51:50] absolute cotton: double dipping doesn't work, shadow^.^ I did the math. after about 1500 bucks, the tier bonus would be higher than the extra 8.33%
[2007.03.26 21:51:53] maryo: did you really ask that? lol
[2007.03.26 21:51:54] SagArt: I may be the only fool in the room, but I wouldn't.
[2007.03.26 21:52:00] Towal: we don't WANT to double dip
[2007.03.26 21:52:04] The_Amazing Shadow: the problem is that's not what we want... I make more with my 22% volume bonus on top of my commissiona
[2007.03.26 21:52:04] kiwi: I prefer to get volume bonus instead of aff commish. I just want the cookie.
[2007.03.26 21:52:10] foxvox: Nope. Too many other things to spend time on. :-)
[2007.03.26 21:52:11] cowpie: I wouldn't double dip.
[2007.03.26 21:52:13] dooni designs: im so confused i dont even think i would really know how to double dip!
[2007.03.26 21:52:15] FaeryMegggggg: doubld ipping hurts the bonus and that's more appealing than the little extra
[2007.03.26 21:52:19] The_Amazing Shadow: double dipping would be a paycut losing the volume bonus
[2007.03.26 21:52:20] Shawn - Pristinephoto: I don't want to double dip marty, none of us do.. we want cp to think about what they are doing before they rush into a system that penalizes shopkeeper affiliates..
[2007.03.26 21:52:21] Towal: we want credit for traffic WE drive and for others NOT to get credit for traffic WE drive
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[2007.03.26 21:52:29] maryo: yeah I think you're missing the point here Marty
[2007.03.26 21:52:36] absolute cotton: shh. he's here
[2007.03.26 21:52:38] Towal: I would NOT double dip if it were allowed. I want the money due me..not more..not less
[2007.03.26 21:52:39] kiwi: well said, towal.
[2007.03.26 21:52:41] Shawn - Pristinephoto: uhoh.. Drema is here.. you better run Marty.. heheh
[2007.03.26 21:52:49] RowdyJRT: Hiya :)
[2007.03.26 21:52:51] Jolent: yes, and we want to drive them to our own stores first for the BONUS
[2007.03.26 21:52:53] RowdyJRT: <----Drema
[2007.03.26 21:52:57] ppix1: I don't want to double dip. I just want things to be fair.
[2007.03.26 21:52:57] CobraA1: Define "traffic WE drive"
[2007.03.26 21:53:00] Lekker Jen: all we want are our cookies when we generate the traffic - and no loyalty programs with parasites that overwrite our cookies
[2007.03.26 21:53:02] MartyCP: Does anybody here not get a volume bonus?
[2007.03.26 21:53:17] foxvox: Technically, unless CP was tracking accounts by SSN number/name, you could have done it through the OLD system, I think, with multiple accounts. (Not that I was! Heh.)
[2007.03.26 21:53:18] SagArt: yep, sure do
[2007.03.26 21:53:26] blonde_designs: i don't every month but my stores not a yr old yet
[2007.03.26 21:53:26] cowpie: Yep I do.
[2007.03.26 21:53:32] dooni designs: volume bonuses are lively hood and stinks that i cant even merge my 2 cp accts
[2007.03.26 21:53:32] kiwi: sometimes i do, sometimes i don't
[2007.03.26 21:53:33] Jolent: I make more bonus then affiliate commission
[2007.03.26 21:53:36] slamdunk: I don't get volume bonus
[2007.03.26 21:53:37] The_Amazing Shadow: Speaking of volume bonus any chance for tier 5 or 6 this month? :)
[2007.03.26 21:53:41] absolute cotton: I would, but shadow returned everything he bought from my shop.
[2007.03.26 21:53:51] Nina: that's right, we DON'T want to double dip, just get our fair due thru bonus money not taken by loyalty programs, and thru setting cookies to other CP shops/products when it is OUR advertising money and expertise that brought those customers into CP from our websites and adword links etc.
[2007.03.26 21:53:52] Suntop has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 21:53:53] The_Amazing Shadow: lol Carl...that was you!
[2007.03.26 21:53:56] shopaholicchick: lol abs
[2007.03.26 21:53:57] Shawn - Pristinephoto: what does our volume bonus have to do with commissions we should earn from other shops after they leave our shop that we linked to from offsite because our offsite link couldn't set a cookie? lol
[2007.03.26 21:54:01] FaeryMegggggg: I think Shadow dried up most of us this month.
[2007.03.26 21:54:07] G guy: I usually get a couple hundred a month in bonuses.
[2007.03.26 21:54:08] maryo: lol Shawn
[2007.03.26 21:54:15] Towal: traffic tat we drive: Traffic that comes from something I directed there. MY webpage. MY blog. MY adwords. whatever..something that is MINE that drove traffic to CP whether it is to my store first and then on to someone else or the MP or not. Just like would happen if i was an affiliate and NOT an SK
[2007.03.26 21:54:17] shopaholicchick: i think shadow hexxed the rest of us this month
[2007.03.26 21:54:17] The_Amazing Shadow: yeah and I got a Stalker out of it
[2007.03.26 21:54:26] foxvox: Shawn - say that ten times fast. ;-)
[2007.03.26 21:54:34] shopaholicchick: shadow you ahve a stalker???
[2007.03.26 21:54:35] Shawn - Pristinephoto: sorry... I guess I'm on a crusade.. heheh
[2007.03.26 21:54:41] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 21:54:46] ppix1: My volume bonus is MUCH bigger than any affiliate cash I get. I want to keep it.
[2007.03.26 21:54:46] maryo: yes - losing volume bonus to parasite affiliates is one of my main concerns
[2007.03.26 21:54:47] The_Amazing Shadow: look at Kayecee's signature next time....lol
[2007.03.26 21:54:47] shopaholicchick: you want another one??
[2007.03.26 21:54:58] shopaholicchick: <~~~has a stalker i would love to get rid of
[2007.03.26 21:55:14] CobraA1: If you drive your own traffic, then who is the affiliate?
[2007.03.26 21:55:14] The_Amazing Shadow: she has Shadow Stalker in her sig....lol
[2007.03.26 21:55:18] shopaholicchick: lol
[2007.03.26 21:55:21] dreamup: stalkers?? lol is this an aol chat or a cp chat
[2007.03.26 21:55:23] Towal: I am consistently in teir 2 volume bonus for the last 6 months. I was always in tier 1 for the prior 8 months (with the exceptoin of 1 month I hit tier 3)
[2007.03.26 21:55:32] shopaholicchick: i dont want to stalk you - i want to BE you...big difference
[2007.03.26 21:55:33] Jolent: shawn...if you cant set your affiliate link to your own shop so you can have first chance to earn a bonus from the sale...there is then no cookie for you to earn affiliate commission when they leave your shop
[2007.03.26 21:55:37] Nina: me too... I don't want to lose bonus money to parasites. It makes up a good chunk of change each month.
[2007.03.26 21:56:09] The_Amazing Shadow: I also don't want to lose money on traffic I direct to CP that buys stuff other than my own.
[2007.03.26 21:56:12] Kim: Last month my volume bonus was 3,976 so yes I want every penny I deserve. I want my cookie to stick yet not double dip. There has to be a solution to this madness
[2007.03.26 21:56:15] shopaholicchick: i would rather not lose my volume bonus to carasites - but still be able to be in the marketplace
[2007.03.26 21:56:20] MartyCP: If you drive your own traffic, there should be no affiliate. But if you link through CJ, we can't automatically know the difference.
[2007.03.26 21:56:30] ppix1: Shadow's encouraging cookie stalkers. I'm his newest.
[2007.03.26 21:56:30] absolute cotton: the only way is to affiliate link to your own products... opted out. unless there's another way to reset an existing cookie.
[2007.03.26 21:56:49] The_Amazing Shadow: Hence a major flaw that should be fixed before the change over
[2007.03.26 21:57:00] Shawn - Pristinephoto: program it so you can... there are ways... lol... I give up... for tonight anyways.. lol
[2007.03.26 21:57:03] pembrokewcorgi: But if we drive our own traffic and someone just happened to visit the market place before comeing thru our link...then we lose that connection
[2007.03.26 21:57:05] Towal: Cobra..I'm not sure what you are asking there?
[2007.03.26 21:57:12] khorah: No volume bonus, yet
[2007.03.26 21:57:13] G guy: True Marty, but the point is if they leave our shop for another... we're screwed.
[2007.03.26 21:57:14] shopaholicchick: marty what we are saying though - is if we link to our own shop and it has someone else's cookie in there already - our own link to the shop - will be someone else's affiliate link!!!!!
[2007.03.26 21:57:15] RowdyJRT: If we drive our own traffic and they wander into the market place via that lovely cafepress bar and find something else we lost a customer as well as commission on anything else they would buy
[2007.03.26 21:57:25] MartyCP: That's not true.
[2007.03.26 21:57:31] shopaholicchick: since we cannot put out affiliate int here to reset thiers!!
[2007.03.26 21:57:40] absolute cotton: please explain, marty
[2007.03.26 21:57:41] Lekker Jen: Unless you want all of us to have to opt out of the marketplace. I don't want to re-build 4 shops, and I don't want to give money away to affiliates that don't deserve it
[2007.03.26 21:57:43] dooni designs: bah im just gonna clear my cookies daily.. lets start a worldwide cookie movement
[2007.03.26 21:57:47] RowdyJRT: If we can't set a cookie how is that not true?
[2007.03.26 21:57:54] The_Amazing Shadow: you can't overwrite a cookie that is still within 30 days
[2007.03.26 21:57:55] Jolent: exactly shopaholicchic
[2007.03.26 21:57:57] Towal: Marty do you know how mypoints works?
[2007.03.26 21:57:59] MartyCP: If you link to your own shop, if they already have someone else's affiliate cookie, that cookie will be blown away.
[2007.03.26 21:58:01] blonde_designs: amen ban the cookies!
[2007.03.26 21:58:01] shopaholicchick: marty if i have your cookie in my pc - and i click a link that does not have a new affiliate on it - then your cookie will get the sale
[2007.03.26 21:58:03] The_Amazing Shadow: that was part of the old program too
[2007.03.26 21:58:07] kiwi: YMarty - you can't automatically tell the difference now, Marty. But most of us would gladly give you our CJ id's or whatever they call it so that you could.
[2007.03.26 21:58:12] Towal: we can't link to our own shops now
[2007.03.26 21:58:13] shopaholicchick: NO MARTY IT WQILL NTO BECUAE THERE WILL BE NO NEW COOKIE
[2007.03.26 21:58:26] MartyCP: Shopchick -- I know the system. Trust me.
[2007.03.26 21:58:30] maryo: no shouting please
[2007.03.26 21:58:47] Shawn - Pristinephoto: ok.. so let us take out all the marketplace links within our premiums shops and strip the marketplace links out of the shopping cart... if I drive my own traffic, it should be my own traffic.. a sale should not be made from MY traffic that I drive to CP without me being able to get commission from it... whether it is my markup on my own items (and only my markup) or aff comm on other stuff
[2007.03.26 21:58:51] Adam: what system CPs?
[2007.03.26 21:59:03] MartyCP: Yes, CP's.
[2007.03.26 21:59:06] FaeryMegggggg: All of this is making my head hurt now.
[2007.03.26 21:59:13] MartyCP: I know it's really confusing.
[2007.03.26 21:59:17] MartyCP: I wish it wasn't.
[2007.03.26 21:59:17] G guy: Wait a minute. You mean we still get credit if we drive to OUR store with NO PID?
[2007.03.26 21:59:20] absolute cotton: so if i link to my products via cpshop, it blows an existing cookie out?
[2007.03.26 21:59:21] shopaholicchick: marty how is your cookie going to go away if i click a link that has no cookie?!?!!??!?!
[2007.03.26 21:59:23] Adam: say that again marty?
[2007.03.26 22:00:09] ppix1: Yes please repeat. If that's true, then that's what we've all been wanting to hear.
[2007.03.26 22:00:10] SagArt: Whoa, what was that again
[2007.03.26 22:00:11] blonde_designs: i'm right there w/u faery
[2007.03.26 22:00:11] BWS: Okay, Marty - but what about the loyalty sites that insert their cookie at the time of sale, and who have not actually provided the link that brought the buyer there?
[2007.03.26 22:00:20] The_Amazing Shadow: And I thought I had this down pat...lol
[2007.03.26 22:00:21] MartyCP: The system looks for cookies when there's no referer -- and if you click a link (outside of an email client like Outlook) then the cookie is ignored.
[2007.03.26 22:00:37] Jolent: Marty, tell us how then we can promote our own shop to earn bonus rewards, and still somehow have an affiliate link put a cookie so when a customer leaves our shop we can make an affiliate commision? If we cant put our link to our own shop...we are sunk...
[2007.03.26 22:00:51] absolute cotton: so as long as my cpshop is in the referal header, then I'm covered?
[2007.03.26 22:01:00] absolute cotton: *website
[2007.03.26 22:01:17] FaeryMegggggg: so, if someone comes to my store from my own ad and they still have an unexpired cookie, it won't count? I'll get all of the sale?
[2007.03.26 22:01:19] MartyCP: Cotton: if you meant "my website" instead of "my cpshop," then yes.
[2007.03.26 22:01:26] MartyCP: Yes.
[2007.03.26 22:01:39] absolute cotton: holy heck. that's most of what i was fearing
[2007.03.26 22:01:44] FaeryMegggggg: If that's true. WHEW
[2007.03.26 22:01:46] The_Amazing Shadow: whats the point of the 30 days cookie then if it doesn't get used when a link has no referrer?
[2007.03.26 22:01:49] G guy: But that's now, not when CJ takes over right?
[2007.03.26 22:01:55] Towal: but what if the person goes to my fluffy bunny design from MY link and it's not the fluffy bunny design they want so they hit teh MP and find Sag's fluffy bunny design. If I was an affiliate I would get credit for that, but since I'm an SK I don't
[2007.03.26 22:01:55] palmetto: is it different for CPShop shops?
[2007.03.26 22:02:23] MartyCP: That's why the 30 day thing is so silly to me. It only matters for type-in (typed directly into the browser), bookmarks and non-web-based email links.
[2007.03.26 22:02:24] Adam: when the cookie has no referrer?
[2007.03.26 22:02:28] blonde_designs: i think i've had enough....dooni or shop can fill me in tomorrow g-nite all...and i'll see whoevers attending...at the meeting tomorrow....
[2007.03.26 22:02:31] slamdunk: thanks Jolent... tell us how to promote our own shop, and get a cookie for people browsing elsewhere
[2007.03.26 22:02:32] shopaholicchick: i agree with shadow whats the use of a 30 day cookie if your going to ignore it
[2007.03.26 22:02:58] absolute cotton: darn, marty - that one answer blows 90% of my fears away.
[2007.03.26 22:03:02] FaeryMegggggg: OK so one big worry of mine is gone. If only there was some reassurance about parasite programs.
[2007.03.26 22:03:04] Adam: well it shouldnt matter only for type ins
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[2007.03.26 22:03:05] pembrokewcorgi: So if Tom visits the marketplace from Jane's affliliate page and later does a Googel search on "corgis" and comes to my premium site...does Jane profit?
[2007.03.26 22:03:09] RowdyJRT: When we go to CJ, if a visitor has a cookie on their computer but returns to the CP site and clicks on another link with a different cookie the newest click will get the credit
[2007.03.26 22:03:12] MartyCP: No, Jane does not.
[2007.03.26 22:03:18] The_Amazing Shadow: hmmm so the cookie is more worthless than we thought?
[2007.03.26 22:03:28] MartyCP: Correct.
[2007.03.26 22:03:29] Adam: sounds it :?
[2007.03.26 22:03:38] RowdyJRT: yes it is worthless
[2007.03.26 22:03:43] dooni designs: alot of people clear their cookies out anywayz
[2007.03.26 22:03:46] absolute cotton: Make SURE you get this info in the FAQ, marty.
[2007.03.26 22:03:56] RowdyJRT: Carl it is in there
[2007.03.26 22:03:57] Adam: but CJ it's last cookie wins
[2007.03.26 22:04:01] The_Amazing Shadow: hmmm it seemed alot more important on the premium shop sign up
[2007.03.26 22:04:05] MartyCP: It's not worthless, but it's certainly not the super amazingly important thing some people think it is.
[2007.03.26 22:04:06] slamdunk: yes, and putting specific examples will help
[2007.03.26 22:04:26] Towal: but that still doesn't solve the SKs getting the shaft from their traffic nor the loyalty program thing does it?
[2007.03.26 22:04:27] palmetto: Yes. examples would be excellent.
[2007.03.26 22:04:33] RowdyJRT: this is why CP says we can't have any CJ links in our CP stores
[2007.03.26 22:04:38] Jolent: Marty, if we have our own website, and are setup with cpshop...will that then override previous cookies with our own pid's?
[2007.03.26 22:04:55] RowdyJRT: for one it would piss off an affiliate if they drove us traffic and we stole the referral from them
[2007.03.26 22:04:55] jean / rotemgear has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:04:57] Adam: isnt it too late to put up examples for Cps AP?
[2007.03.26 22:04:58] maryo: Well one thing's for sure. It's definitely going to be an interesting year at CP. :)
[2007.03.26 22:05:05] MartyCP: I'm not 100% sure how cpshop is going to work going forward, but I'm going to make sure it's the best (legal) experience possible for the shopkeepers.
[2007.03.26 22:05:18] slamdunk: still... HOW do we promote our shops and be eligible for commissions on people browsing during that visit???
[2007.03.26 22:05:24] foxvox: :)
[2007.03.26 22:05:27] Towal: I don't have a problem with not having CJ links in my CP store btw. I would never do that anyway. I would like credit for traffic my OFFSITE page drives though obviously
[2007.03.26 22:05:38] absolute cotton: i can't imagine anyone affiliating an offsite shop... and if they visit my cafepress shop, their cookie rules
[2007.03.26 22:05:39] Shawn - Pristinephoto: exactly Towal.. so what if it doesn't guarantee 30 days... I'm worried about single session.. I can't set cookie to a link to my shop from a blog or whatever so when someone goes to shop and ends up hitting marketplace I don't get affiliate credit for that shopper... heh
[2007.03.26 22:05:58] Nina: Marty, please convey to CP that we really really want to sta buddies with other SK's, and promote their stuff in our shops and get credit for it. If we're only 1/4%, how are we going to cause CP to lose so dang much money? Won't all those Big Guy affiliates doing their thing be bringing in so much $$ to CP, that they can afford to reward loyal SK's by letting us still affiliate each other on CP?
[2007.03.26 22:06:02] The_Amazing Shadow: so much hoping all my traffic brings me more sales later from the cookies
[2007.03.26 22:06:10] Jolent: I've been planning on getting cpshop for a while now....this new development with cp affiliate may move me your way much faster now :P Hurry up and get it working!!
[2007.03.26 22:06:26] absolute cotton: it works now, jolent
[2007.03.26 22:06:46] BWS: CPShop has been a great, great tool for teh current affiliate program Jolent
[2007.03.26 22:06:55] dooni designs: im scared of cpshop but it looks umm FUN
[2007.03.26 22:06:56] foxvox: Amen!
[2007.03.26 22:06:59] Jolent: lol, i mean with the changes he will probably have to make to work in the new CJ things
[2007.03.26 22:07:00] MartyCP: I believe it'll continue to be so.
[2007.03.26 22:07:06] Lekker Jen: I love CPShop and the current affiliate progam
[2007.03.26 22:07:07] Adam: if you can make it work with cpshop marty why cant you make ti work for the entire Cafepress site?
[2007.03.26 22:07:18] kiwi: yes, slamdunk's question
[2007.03.26 22:07:20] RowdyJRT: I've decided to be like a little tree and branch out :) I will work harder on my Battery Site, and Printer Ink sites and forget about all of these T-shrits lol
[2007.03.26 22:07:23] Towal: the loyalty thing still really bothers me too. Marty do you know how mypoints works?
[2007.03.26 22:07:24] absolute cotton: i believe lots of people will move offsite, and most will choose cpshop
[2007.03.26 22:07:29] MartyCP: Because cpshop just needs to handle one affiliate. Not everybody.
[2007.03.26 22:07:38] Shawn - Pristinephoto: how you gonna prevent double dipping with cpshop when you get shopping cart figured out Marty? *ducks and runs*
[2007.03.26 22:08:00] BWS: what's that in Shawn's cookies, anyway?
[2007.03.26 22:08:03] slamdunk: (repeat... moving too fast) HOW do we promote our shops and be eligible for commissions on people browsing during that visit???
[2007.03.26 22:08:07] Adam: hmmm thining :)
[2007.03.26 22:08:12] Jolent: I've heard, Marty, that you are great to work with on getting cpshop up and running....I'm sure you'll be sick of me as I learn, lol
[2007.03.26 22:08:21] MartyCP: It's a tricky problem, Shawn, but I have ideas. Haven't tested them yet, though. I've been spending a lot of time on the re-thinking of the shop-management experience.
[2007.03.26 22:08:35] Adam: so all we damn well need is to keep out existing affiliate links with redirects to cj
[2007.03.26 22:08:48] foxvox: We should have a fundraiser to get Marty cloned.
[2007.03.26 22:08:53] Shawn - Pristinephoto: why can't you implement those ideas on the CP side... heheh *knows he gonna get into trouble eventually*
[2007.03.26 22:08:54] dooni designs: i feel compelled to go make a cookie slayer shirt now
[2007.03.26 22:08:55] BWS: The nagging awful question is still the parasite loyalty programs and the effects they can have on bonus and on bogus affiliate sales
[2007.03.26 22:08:59] Adam: out - our
[2007.03.26 22:09:04] kippy: I am with Towal and am very bothered about the loyalty thing, espcially as it' seems that is a major part of the intended route
[2007.03.26 22:09:11] MartyCP: As I said, Adam, I'm working on it, but can promise nothing. Until it's approved and working, then I'll promise. :)
[2007.03.26 22:09:18] The_Amazing Shadow: night all ... take care
[2007.03.26 22:09:20] SagArt: Gotta' run, but wanted to say thank you to Marty for braving the storm and to wish you all the best with the CJ adventure. Unfortunately, been there ... done that ... won't do it again, but hopefully your experience will be better. Good night all!
[2007.03.26 22:09:20] Lekker Jen: the loyalty/parasite thing is my #1 concern
[2007.03.26 22:09:21] absolute cotton: there are boards there just like here, jolent. you'll get plenty of hand-holding. If not, post in general chitchat. that's where all the serious SK's hang out.
[2007.03.26 22:09:26] Adam: hahat hx
[2007.03.26 22:09:28] absolute cotton: lol
[2007.03.26 22:09:30] Lush has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:09:34] absolute cotton: night, shadow
[2007.03.26 22:09:34] slamdunk: are we allowed to put CJ links on a 4th click shop?
[2007.03.26 22:09:36] pembrokewcorgi: yes--much thanks Marty
[2007.03.26 22:09:44] The_Amazing Shadow: thanks again Marty
[2007.03.26 22:09:49] palmetto: Thank you Marty!
[2007.03.26 22:09:51] MartyCP: I think 4th click is going to have to support CJ, and we'll probably make sure it does.
[2007.03.26 22:09:55] MartyCP: You're all quite welcome.
[2007.03.26 22:09:57] cowpie: Thanks so much Marty, for sticking around and answering our questions.
[2007.03.26 22:09:57] The_Amazing Shadow has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:09:58] dooni designs: or how bout.. "there is no such thing as a loyal parasite"
[2007.03.26 22:10:01] kiwi: Marty - thank yo so much!
[2007.03.26 22:10:01] CobraA1: thanks
[2007.03.26 22:10:06] foxvox: Many thanks!!!!
[2007.03.26 22:10:06] SagArt has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:10:11] cowpie has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:10:12] MartyCP: I'll quickly talk about the parasite thing before I go.
[2007.03.26 22:10:13] slamdunk: does that mean no links? or links OK
[2007.03.26 22:10:13] FaeryMegggggg: Thanks MArty!
[2007.03.26 22:10:22] kippy: There could be a chat specifically about loyalty programs only
[2007.03.26 22:10:30] Jolent: Yea, I've been looking at those boards on occasion for a bit now...it's just been a time issue for me for not doing it sooner...
[2007.03.26 22:10:31] MartyCP: Though I was supposed to be home by 6:30, so I'm definitely going to be in trouble with the missus.
[2007.03.26 22:10:37] absolute cotton: yes, I'm out too. Marty, you've removed more worry than days of posts and this whole chat. I really appreciate it.
[2007.03.26 22:10:38] kiwi: for the record: I think the 0.25% number is misleading and specifically designed to shock. It would be better to calculate - first - of active shopkeepers (those who actually sell something other than self-buy) - what % participate in the aff program. Then, of those who particpate - what % actually drove affiliate sales.
[2007.03.26 22:10:40] CobraA1: lol
[2007.03.26 22:10:41] FaeryMegggggg: Ooops
[2007.03.26 22:10:42] BWS: tell her it's my fault
[2007.03.26 22:10:44] ppix1: All of CP should thank you for sticking around Marty. Thank you very much. And apologize to your wife for us!
[2007.03.26 22:10:47] RowdyJRT: Marty have you been in touch with Jessie from PrestoGifto to see how she can handle the changes? I know a lot of the shopkeeprs and affiliates were using her site
[2007.03.26 22:10:47] BWS: I can take it
[2007.03.26 22:10:54] Towal: tell her we held you hostage with torches and pitchforks ;)
[2007.03.26 22:10:54] kiwi: lol, Marty - tell her you were selling CP shop
[2007.03.26 22:10:56] foxvox: Yes - blame Bradley - I mean us!
[2007.03.26 22:10:57] Adam: hey it;s 3am here marty..
[2007.03.26 22:11:04] Adam: i'm always in trouble
[2007.03.26 22:11:13] Jolent: Marty...print out this chat and let her read it....maybe she will laugh a bit :)
[2007.03.26 22:11:18] absolute cotton has left the room (logged out)
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[2007.03.26 22:11:22] dooni designs: adam geez go play with ur widgets already!
[2007.03.26 22:11:28] kippy: Thank you Marty for sticking around. YOu deserve a medal
[2007.03.26 22:11:30] MartyCP: We're going to make sure the PrestoGifto's of the world are also working. But I'm going to focus on cpshop first. :)
[2007.03.26 22:11:30] Lekker Jen: or get you a stiff drink :(
[2007.03.26 22:11:35] Lekker Jen: :)
[2007.03.26 22:11:39] foxvox: :)
[2007.03.26 22:11:42] Shawn - Pristinephoto: I need to run as well... Marty thanks for the time and sorry to hammer about the shopkeeper affiliate thing... but it is a major issue.. please try to help them figure something out so shopkeeper affiliates aren't getting shafted...
[2007.03.26 22:11:49] Shawn - Pristinephoto: laters all.. see you in the forums
[2007.03.26 22:11:50] Nina: Thank you, Marty - Cp should give you a raise for putting up with us. Take the Missus out to dinner or something.
[2007.03.26 22:11:54] RowdyJRT: See ya later Shawn
[2007.03.26 22:11:57] Adam: cya shwn
[2007.03.26 22:12:02] kippy: bye Shawn
[2007.03.26 22:12:03] Jolent: Bradley, you have the other cool celtic and retro shop?
[2007.03.26 22:12:04] Lekker Jen: night shawn
[2007.03.26 22:12:11] BWS: that's me Jolent
[2007.03.26 22:12:13] Shawn - Pristinephoto has left the room
[2007.03.26 22:12:15] BWS: unless there's another one
[2007.03.26 22:12:31] MartyCP: By the way, if you haven't seen Bradley's store -- it's one of my favorites.
[2007.03.26 22:12:36] BWS: woot!
[2007.03.26 22:12:39] foxvox: bye Shawn
[2007.03.26 22:12:43] Lekker Jen: they rock.
[2007.03.26 22:12:44] Towal: pretty sure only one bradley. the world isn't ready for another :P
[2007.03.26 22:12:51] Adam: plug for bradley
[2007.03.26 22:12:52] MartyCP: Okay, where were we?
[2007.03.26 22:12:53] Jolent: Sweet...it's your shop and FoxVox shops that got me interested in cpshop in the first place!!
[2007.03.26 22:12:54] CobraA1: I need to make more stuff to put on mine.
[2007.03.26 22:12:55] foxvox: They rock definitively!
[2007.03.26 22:12:55] MartyCP: Parasites?
[2007.03.26 22:12:57] BWS: parasites
[2007.03.26 22:13:08] dooni designs: and this loyalty thing
[2007.03.26 22:13:09] foxvox: Cool, Jolent! :-)
[2007.03.26 22:13:32] foxvox: Parasites.
[2007.03.26 22:13:53] MartyCP: Okay.
[2007.03.26 22:14:14] maryo: LOL You're a brave man Marty. Thank you for staying.
[2007.03.26 22:14:57] MartyCP: The parasite issue was a really big deal in the 2001-2003 time period. The problem was that affiliate marketing was getting its second wind, and some people had the novel (and un-nice) idea of writing software that would look for affiliate PIDs for different sites, and overwrite them.
[2007.03.26 22:15:00] foxvox: I feel like a number of knots have gotten untied or at least loosened here.
[2007.03.26 22:15:23] Jolent: We should all donate for the "save Marty fund"...he can buy his wife something nice for his being so late:)
[2007.03.26 22:15:35] kippy: I still hate this, but it's nice to have a CP member of staff not beating around the bush and only going for the "easy" questions
[2007.03.26 22:15:36] MartyCP: Of course, the affiliate world took notice, and got *pissed*.
[2007.03.26 22:15:40] Lekker Jen: LUSH! Girls love to smell good!
[2007.03.26 22:15:52] MartyCP: (Pardon my french.)
[2007.03.26 22:16:00] MartyCP: (Is pissed French?)
[2007.03.26 22:16:04] MartyCP: (Moving right along...)
[2007.03.26 22:16:07] maryo: lol
[2007.03.26 22:16:08] foxvox: LOL
[2007.03.26 22:16:10] Jolent: No, its american!
[2007.03.26 22:16:11] Romy: pissoir?
[2007.03.26 22:16:19] CobraA1: I've seen worse "french."
[2007.03.26 22:16:19] Nina has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:16:21] kiwi: bidet
[2007.03.26 22:16:32] G guy: Construction French. :)
[2007.03.26 22:16:37] MartyCP: They went to the big affiliate networks, and demanded they get rid of the parasite companies.
[2007.03.26 22:17:08] MartyCP: They also started complaining, since a lot of the affiliate applications (often in the guise of loyalty programs) acted like spyware.
[2007.03.26 22:17:20] MartyCP: There was much anger.
[2007.03.26 22:17:34] Towal: lol it's like a CP bedtime story :)
[2007.03.26 22:17:40] CobraA1: :)
[2007.03.26 22:17:50] ppix1: 'Twas the night before all hell broke loose...
[2007.03.26 22:17:52] Adam: clever lol
[2007.03.26 22:17:53] G guy: anger=pissed in constrution french
[2007.03.26 22:17:54] Romy: a gothic fairytale ... lol
[2007.03.26 22:18:09] Adam: watch out for IC guys :P
[2007.03.26 22:18:15] Adam: jk :P
[2007.03.26 22:18:18] MartyCP: At this point, a bunch of advertisers jumped ship to other, smaller affiliate networks. Of course, the parasites just expanded their efforts -- sometimes in difficult-to-notice ways.
[2007.03.26 22:18:39] slamdunk: (pulling blankets under my chin)
[2007.03.26 22:18:41] foxvox:
[2007.03.26 22:18:48] MartyCP: For example, some actual computer viruses would do parasitic things, in addition to clogging up inboxes and stealing passwords.
[2007.03.26 22:19:01] Jolent: ppix1....somehow I see you doing a shirt with that saying...something with a kid and a toilet :-D twould be cool
[2007.03.26 22:19:04] dooni designs: *burp*
[2007.03.26 22:19:18] ppix1: :P
[2007.03.26 22:19:34] MartyCP: At this point, everyone was suffering. (Well, except the average consumer, who remained blissfully ignorant of the war for the commissions they were causing.)
[2007.03.26 22:19:41] CobraA1: Wait - they actually made viruses to do this stuff?
[2007.03.26 22:20:00] MartyCP: Yes, they did. Virus writers suck more than any other group of people I've been exposed to.
[2007.03.26 22:20:00] FaeryMegggggg: Sounds like a movie lol
[2007.03.26 22:20:08] CobraA1: agreed
[2007.03.26 22:20:16] slamdunk: (squeezing teddy bear)
[2007.03.26 22:20:16] MartyCP: Then things got complicated.
[2007.03.26 22:20:26] dooni designs: seems they got too much time on their hands
[2007.03.26 22:20:38] Adam: i wont be able to sleep
[2007.03.26 22:20:43] MartyCP: Affiliates started to tell the networks to either fix the problem, or get dumped.
[2007.03.26 22:21:05] MartyCP: The smaller networks acted quickly -- they saw it as a great way to differentiate themselves from the biggest affiliate companies.
[2007.03.26 22:21:56] MartyCP: They also didn't have anywhere near as much to lose as the CJ's of the world, so it was a lot easier for them to do so.
[2007.03.26 22:22:02] MartyCP: CJ, on the other hand, was stuck.
[2007.03.26 22:22:10] mystic has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 22:22:27] MartyCP: They made a lot of money from those advertisers -- but they couldn't afford to keep them as is, because they were facing a mass revolt of affiliates.
[2007.03.26 22:22:35] dooni designs: WAS is a good word
[2007.03.26 22:23:00] foxvox:
[2007.03.26 22:23:16] G guy: (gobbling popcorn)
[2007.03.26 22:23:23] MartyCP: So they basically told them they had to change their policies -- which was even trickier for those loyalty (and related) companies, because their whole business model was built around this process.
[2007.03.26 22:23:43] CobraA1: Somebody sell slamdunk a new teddy bear . ..
[2007.03.26 22:23:45] MartyCP: Sadly, this is where business semantics started to play an awfully big role.
[2007.03.26 22:23:46] dooni designs:
[2007.03.26 22:23:53] slamdunk: i just ripped his head off :)
[2007.03.26 22:24:01] Romy: sigh
[2007.03.26 22:24:23] MartyCP: The loyalty companies -- who were among the worst offenders back in the day -- had programs that would install themselves on your computer, often without asking.
[2007.03.26 22:24:28] MartyCP: Those *sucked*.
[2007.03.26 22:24:46] MartyCP: So they said, okay, what if we asked first before installing it?
[2007.03.26 22:24:55] MartyCP: And CJ replied, well, that'd be better...
[2007.03.26 22:25:14] MartyCP: So they did it -- and most people pretty much stopped using the loyalty software.
[2007.03.26 22:25:22] MartyCP: How many people here use loyalty software?
[2007.03.26 22:25:27] foxvox: Not me.
[2007.03.26 22:25:28] MartyCP: Show of hands?
[2007.03.26 22:25:31] Jolent: (wow...when marty starts telling a story....everybody gets quiet and listens)
[2007.03.26 22:25:34] G guy: nope
[2007.03.26 22:25:37] slamdunk: no
[2007.03.26 22:25:38] FaeryMegggggg: lol
[2007.03.26 22:25:39] Jolent: not me
[2007.03.26 22:25:43] mystic: no
[2007.03.26 22:25:46] dooni designs: vaguely remember in the past
[2007.03.26 22:25:49] Adam: not i dont. and i dont think i have done ether
[2007.03.26 22:25:51] CobraA1: nope.
[2007.03.26 22:25:55] maryo: i don't - but I do know plenty of people who do
[2007.03.26 22:26:01] MartyCP: I think I tried it once, a long, long time ago, personally.
[2007.03.26 22:26:04] Adam: what was that download zilla program that came bundled with something?
[2007.03.26 22:26:05] Towal: I don't use software. I do belong to mypoints though (have since 99)
[2007.03.26 22:26:06] maryo: most of them are people who are not as computer literate
[2007.03.26 22:26:08] MartyCP: I uninstalled it a fw computers ago. :)
[2007.03.26 22:26:09] dooni designs: i dont now but i did and didnt know what it was at the time.. till NOW lol
[2007.03.26 22:26:10] BWS: no; ut we may not e typical of our customers
[2007.03.26 22:26:20] BWS: + b + b
[2007.03.26 22:26:21] pembrokewcorgi: how about someone new to the afflitiate world...how would I know that it is one of these types of programs?
[2007.03.26 22:26:21] foxvox: You mean gator or something?
[2007.03.26 22:26:22] MartyCP: Sorry, didn't mean to derail the story.
[2007.03.26 22:26:30] Adam: yeah.. what did gator do?
[2007.03.26 22:26:38] MartyCP: Gator was *evil*.
[2007.03.26 22:26:39] RowdyJRT: Several yrs ago 180 solutions landed on my computer, I had to do a complete restore to remove it
[2007.03.26 22:26:41] maryo: gator was evil
[2007.03.26 22:26:42] maryo: lol
[2007.03.26 22:26:48] dooni designs: what about that monkey buddy thing?
[2007.03.26 22:26:52] dooni designs: forget his name
[2007.03.26 22:26:54] CobraA1: And this is why I like Vista's new UAC . . .
[2007.03.26 22:27:00] Jolent: ohhh, I end up with gator once.....not a good time
[2007.03.26 22:27:02] G guy: (back to popcorn)
[2007.03.26 22:27:08] dooni designs: gator was horrible
[2007.03.26 22:27:19] slamdunk: G... you're getting popcorn crumbs in the bed
[2007.03.26 22:27:23] ppix1: Quit ruining the story!
[2007.03.26 22:27:41] Romy: and then what happened, Uncle Marty?
[2007.03.26 22:27:45] maryo: but you can't say "nobody uses the loyalty programs" lots of people do -
[2007.03.26 22:27:46] G guy: my bed! (pouting)
[2007.03.26 22:27:46] MartyCP: The problem was that these loyalty companies wanted people to install their software, but people generally didn't want to.
[2007.03.26 22:27:52] BWS: I also don't believe that I can make a fortune as a secret shopper, or get a glamorous job on a cruise ship, but some do
[2007.03.26 22:27:58] maryo: that's why CP wants them
[2007.03.26 22:28:24] FaeryMegggggg: I always wanted to be a Disney Character.
[2007.03.26 22:28:32] MartyCP: The weird thing about them (loyalty programs), is that they've got a weird spin on the business of selling.
[2007.03.26 22:28:39] shopaholicchick: lol faery we all know your a character already:p
[2007.03.26 22:28:49] FaeryMegggggg: *blushes*
[2007.03.26 22:28:50] Towal: if CP was like best buy I would not give a hoot if they had them, but they are not. it effects more than just CP in our case
[2007.03.26 22:28:54] MartyCP: They don't try to tell you a product is something you want. They try to get you to buy it so you can benefit some other way.
[2007.03.26 22:28:58] dooni designs: tink undercover
[2007.03.26 22:28:59] Adam: do cp want them as super affiliates?
[2007.03.26 22:29:33] MartyCP: I actually don't think we're sure yet. We obviously have no desire to be associated with parasites.
[2007.03.26 22:29:38] MartyCP: However --
[2007.03.26 22:29:42] MartyCP: -- and I want to be clear on this --
[2007.03.26 22:30:20] MartyCP: We might be okay with being associated with a company that used to be a parasite, but isn't anymore.
[2007.03.26 22:30:29] MartyCP: And that's a tough distinction.
[2007.03.26 22:30:33] Towal: can you give an example?
[2007.03.26 22:30:38] Towal: of such a company
[2007.03.26 22:30:50] Towal: not necessarily one you might want..just in general
[2007.03.26 22:30:52] Romy: we wouldn't want CP's reputation to be soiled
[2007.03.26 22:31:29] MartyCP: Hmm...I haven't investigated them personally, for the most part, at least not thoroughly enough to declare them parasites or not-parasites.
[2007.03.26 22:31:45] Towal: here is what bothers me
[2007.03.26 22:31:47] slamdunk: so, did CJ have a parasite problem in the past?
[2007.03.26 22:31:54] maryo: the problem is though that some companies are claiming to be parasite free and CJ has said "hey, we believe you" but there is evidence to the contrary
[2007.03.26 22:32:02] Towal: I will use mypoints as an example because I know about them having been a member since 99
[2007.03.26 22:32:18] MartyCP: Hold on a sec -- wife on the phone. :)
[2007.03.26 22:32:23] Towal: ok
[2007.03.26 22:32:23] maryo: :)
[2007.03.26 22:32:27] FaeryMegggggg: UH OH!!!!!
[2007.03.26 22:32:33] kippy: Tell her we're sorry for keeping you!
[2007.03.26 22:32:35] Lekker Jen: Why can't CP pay for the loyalty programs, if they want them? Why do we have to pay for those who don't really do anything for us?
[2007.03.26 22:32:38] Adam: ouch
[2007.03.26 22:32:40] kippy: ...but not that sorry ;)
[2007.03.26 22:32:55] FaeryMegggggg: :whistle:
[2007.03.26 22:33:06] mystic: pass me some popcorn
[2007.03.26 22:33:12] G guy: mine!
[2007.03.26 22:33:15] kippy: Am I ever going to need a lie in tomorrow
[2007.03.26 22:33:20] CobraA1: "Umm, I'm just chatting with customers . . ."
[2007.03.26 22:33:21] FaeryMegggggg: I STILL want that margarita.
[2007.03.26 22:33:25] Adam: kip ;)
[2007.03.26 22:33:28] mystic: pleeeese^.^
[2007.03.26 22:33:38] MartyCP: Okay, I'm back.
[2007.03.26 22:33:39] G guy: well, ok. One.
[2007.03.26 22:33:44] ppix1: I can't believe I'm being a cheerleader here, but I'm sooo glad to have someone be candid. I was so pissed during the chat.
[2007.03.26 22:33:50] ppix1: Sorry. Posted that while you were gone.
[2007.03.26 22:33:53] mystic: thanks
[2007.03.26 22:33:56] Towal: say I'm in the market for a new monitor and I decide to buy one at best buy. then I remember oh yeah mypoints gives me 2points per dollar I spend if I go through their link so I do that and it's credit as affilaite sale for best buy
[2007.03.26 22:34:07] kippy: That chat probably did more against than for CP regarding this issue
[2007.03.26 22:34:14] Towal: to me THAT is not a problem because best buy signed up for that and best buy is the only one that loses money
[2007.03.26 22:34:17] Adam: me too. the chat was awful .. send my comments to the chat team
[2007.03.26 22:34:21] Lorilei has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 22:34:24] maryo: yeah it was really bad
[2007.03.26 22:34:25] G guy: I'll bill ya. :)
[2007.03.26 22:34:33] MartyCP: Okay, where was I?
[2007.03.26 22:34:34] Towal: now let's say 2 weeks ago I went to adam's store and bought a Vote for Towal T-shirt
[2007.03.26 22:34:42] Jolent: yea, maybe instead of chats...Marty should tell stories....
[2007.03.26 22:34:45] FaeryMegggggg: HA
[2007.03.26 22:34:48] shopaholicchick: lol jolent
[2007.03.26 22:34:48] MartyCP: I just ran through all the groceries we need to buy, and lost my train of thought. :)
[2007.03.26 22:34:49] RowdyJRT: There u r Lorilei I was just getting ready to send u a message
[2007.03.26 22:34:51] G guy: You were on the phone Marty.
[2007.03.26 22:34:55] CobraA1: former parasites
[2007.03.26 22:34:59] MartyCP: Right!
[2007.03.26 22:35:00] Lorilei: :)
[2007.03.26 22:35:04] shopaholicchick: marty did you tell her a large bottle of vodka??
[2007.03.26 22:35:09] shopaholicchick: you deserve it
[2007.03.26 22:35:27] MartyCP: Believe it or not, I don't drink. I'd have to console myself with chocolate or Diet Coke.
[2007.03.26 22:35:39] Lorilei: Chocolate ... mmm
[2007.03.26 22:35:45] MartyCP: Okay, former parasites.
[2007.03.26 22:35:46] BWS: you may have misinterpreted who was going to be shopping :)
[2007.03.26 22:35:47] Jolent: chocolate is better for you then diet coke....
[2007.03.26 22:35:48] shopaholicchick: lol i dont either - but....with this i might just need to start
[2007.03.26 22:35:49] Towal: and my friend sees it and says wow that is a great Tshirt I want one. So I say ok I will get you one but then I remember that CP is part of mypoints now so I go through there link and buy my friend a Vote for Cheryl t. Mypoints did NOTHING to earn that traffic, but adam has to pay the fee
[2007.03.26 22:35:52] FaeryMegggggg: If I could drink coke...well...I would lol
[2007.03.26 22:35:54] kippy: I don't understand how anyone has TIME to drink!
[2007.03.26 22:36:16] evisionarts has entered the room "The Lobby"
[2007.03.26 22:36:21] shopaholicchick: lol kippy i dont - with CP and my thesis - and my other classes
[2007.03.26 22:36:30] Adam: hahahaha
[2007.03.26 22:36:37] MartyCP: So I'm personally up in the air over loyalty programs.
[2007.03.26 22:36:37] Adam: i'll opt out that day
[2007.03.26 22:36:43] FaeryMegggggg: I drink about 3 times a year.
[2007.03.26 22:36:46] kippy: I agree it's a huge problem fo rhe example provided by Towal
[2007.03.26 22:36:52] MartyCP: The downside has been illustrated very effectively by Towal.
[2007.03.26 22:36:59] Jolent: Just say no to loyalty programs
[2007.03.26 22:37:13] ppix1: I use ebates.
[2007.03.26 22:37:13] MartyCP: Let me try to explain the other side, just so it's at least stated.
[2007.03.26 22:37:18] FaeryMegggggg: I guess we'll have to what happens, eh?
[2007.03.26 22:37:21] FaeryMegggggg: ok
[2007.03.26 22:37:22] ppix1: I do just what Towal said.
[2007.03.26 22:37:28] FaeryMegggggg: see*
[2007.03.26 22:37:29] Towal: if CP was like best buy I would have no problem with it, but CP involves a lot of other individuals that "aren't" necessarily signing up to lose that commission
[2007.03.26 22:37:49] foxvox: Yes, I'm interested in what the flip side of this would be.
[2007.03.26 22:38:02] foxvox: (of loyalty programs, I mean)
[2007.03.26 22:38:03] Jolent: me too...continue on please Marty
[2007.03.26 22:38:06] mystic: please flip
[2007.03.26 22:38:19] Adam: dont these loyalty programs also drive traffic tho?
[2007.03.26 22:38:26] RowdyJRT: batteries.com was using a loyalty program. It was coded right before the shopper did the final step in the checkout....the final step being recording the affiliate transaction.. Of course the order went thru to the merchant, but it didn't record the affiliate commission.
[2007.03.26 22:39:27] MartyCP: I think about buying a t-shirt at Busted Tees. But then I see that has points/bonus/thingy for me if I shop at CafePress. So instead I go to CafePress, find a shirt, and buy it. Shopkeeper gets commission. Loyalty program gets commission. CafePress gets a customer.
[2007.03.26 22:39:46] Towal: how do you know that is what happened though adam? that is what really worries me. How do you know that 2 weeks ago I bought a t on my own, but now I used a loyalty program?
[2007.03.26 22:40:24] ppix1: It's true a little bit. I check ebates first if two places have what I want. The only problem is that I go to ebates forever, so the company continues to pay out affiliate money forever, even though they only truly directed me once.
[2007.03.26 22:40:39] MartyCP: It doesn't play nicely with other programs. But no affiliate plays nicely with other affiliates -- they're all competing with each other. And the loyalty program has actually convinced the buyer to pick their link over someone else's.
[2007.03.26 22:40:47] MartyCP: Now I'm not saying I agree with that system.
[2007.03.26 22:41:01] MartyCP: But it exists, and it does have some merits. And downsides.
[2007.03.26 22:41:23] foxvox: Do the Loyalty programs, say, popup with sometihgn like, "Before you buy, this site isn't in the program, but this site is, and you might be able to find something similar there?"
[2007.03.26 22:41:25] Towal: for people that sell a fair amount through the MP I think it will have a negative effect
[2007.03.26 22:41:26] MartyCP: Parasites, on the other hand, extend way beyond loyalty programs.
[2007.03.26 22:42:01] Towal: and since apparently ALL sales are MP now that has me a little worried
[2007.03.26 22:42:20] Adam: yeah fixt that marty!
[2007.03.26 22:42:24] MartyCP: Foxvox: I don't think any of the major loyalty programs do that anymore, *unless* you've actively installed their application because you want to be reminded.
[2007.03.26 22:42:48] foxvox: Check.
[2007.03.26 22:42:48] Towal: that marketplace thing is making me crazy and I have so little sanity left to begin with ;)
[2007.03.26 22:42:50] Adam: can you prevent custom shop referred sales being listed as MP ones
[2007.03.26 22:43:18] Towal: something happened somewhere because that only started this month
[2007.03.26 22:43:23] MartyCP: Believe it or not, Adam, that's actively being worked on.
[2007.03.26 22:43:28] Jolent: what do you mean by MP Towal?
[2007.03.26 22:43:32] MartyCP: Marketplace.
[2007.03.26 22:43:32] Towal: marketplace
[2007.03.26 22:43:39] Jolent: thanks
[2007.03.26 22:43:41] MartyCP: Military police?
[2007.03.26 22:43:43] Adam: thats cos i moaned lol
[2007.03.26 22:43:47] dooni designs: doesnt that have something to do with google changes or no?
[2007.03.26 22:43:49] G guy: (there's an echo in here)
[2007.03.26 22:43:51] kippy: Mean ponies?
[2007.03.26 22:43:53] ppix1: This is the first time anyone's admitted it's crazy! I'm starting to feel sane again...
[2007.03.26 22:43:57] Adam: it seems the cup emails just got fixed too
[2007.03.26 22:44:01] Towal: how can we be sure of stats though when there is a glitch like that (even though you say tehy are solid)..they obviously aren't :P
[2007.03.26 22:44:03] Lekker Jen: marshmallow peeps!
[2007.03.26 22:44:04] RowdyJRT: I found this other day, it is an attorney that has went to battle against parasites. He has examples that shows the parasite activity in action.
[2007.03.26 22:44:07] RowdyJRT: http://www.benedelman.org/
[2007.03.26 22:44:07] foxvox: ManyProducts
[2007.03.26 22:44:07] Adam: i sent an email to maheesh about that not so long ago
[2007.03.26 22:44:37] Towal: about which adam?
[2007.03.26 22:44:40] FaeryMegggggg: Well I am pooped out from having to read all of these chat lines. I'm gonna head out. Thank you Marty!
[2007.03.26 22:44:44] MartyCP: We won't knowingly allow anyone to advertise CafePress through spyware.
[2007.03.26 22:44:50] dooni designs: cup emails wont be fixed till they tell u what design is in the red lol
[2007.03.26 22:44:51] MartyCP: Spyware sucks. Everyone agrees on that point.
[2007.03.26 22:44:51] Adam: a whole long list of problems towal :)
[2007.03.26 22:45:08] Towal: damn. I would have sent you mine to add to it if I'd known :P
[2007.03.26 22:45:09] FaeryMegggggg: Night everyone!
[2007.03.26 22:45:11] MartyCP: The CUP email thing is a definite problem.
[2007.03.26 22:45:16] shopaholicchick: yeah i love when cup says "you have a violaton" well i have 4500 designs care to tell me which one it is?!?!?!
[2007.03.26 22:45:24] Adam: apparently someone said it got fixed today
[2007.03.26 22:45:31] MartyCP: To be honest, they really need more resources. They work sooooo hard.
[2007.03.26 22:45:32] Adam: like includes the design id
[2007.03.26 22:45:36] mystic: night Megggg
[2007.03.26 22:45:49] Lekker Jen: if you get a c&d, it will tell you what designs - maybe that's why?
[2007.03.26 22:45:54] Towal: I like CP a lot. I really do. I don't like being told it's raining when I'm being peed on though :(
[2007.03.26 22:46:05] RowdyJRT: I think I'll go upload a picture of michael jackson just to see a demo lol
[2007.03.26 22:46:06] FaeryMegggggg has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:46:07] kiwi: Marty - did they ask you the real MP question? Why all our sales now say "marketplace" when they used to be" shop?"
[2007.03.26 22:46:17] shopaholicchick: marty - off topic would it be possible to create a feature to "copy" a section instead of just move it - like "import" but for entire sections instead of products?
[2007.03.26 22:46:29] RowdyJRT: I'll let ya know if it shows the pic :)
[2007.03.26 22:46:35] slamdunk: good question kiwi
[2007.03.26 22:46:36] evisionarts: usually if you call or e-mail the CUP people they can tell you - they're been very nice about it in the past
[2007.03.26 22:46:37] Towal: We work hard too and many of us there is only one of us and the REDUNDANCY in product creation doesn't make it easer (nag nag) ;)
[2007.03.26 22:46:48] MartyCP: Kiwi: I hadn't heard about that bug, but I can look into it.
[2007.03.26 22:46:50] G guy: Resources Marty? Like in more servers? Seems they'd be a drop in the bucket.
[2007.03.26 22:46:56] shopaholicchick: yeah i would love to know why someone who goes from google directly to my shop and buys - are now a marketplace sale LMAO
[2007.03.26 22:47:10] Towal: oh that is the bug I was talking about Marty...wtih the reports
[2007.03.26 22:47:15] shopaholicchick: marty we have been complaining about that on the forums for like 3 months
[2007.03.26 22:47:16] MartyCP: Resources is people, programmers, time, money, servers, bandwidth, marketing time, web screen real estate, etc.
[2007.03.26 22:47:18] slamdunk: my "purchase from your own shop" say Marketplace too
[2007.03.26 22:47:19] RowdyJRT: yes Marty, my MP sales are at 90%
[2007.03.26 22:47:22] Towal: 99% of all sales now say they are marketplace
[2007.03.26 22:47:29] shopaholicchick: lol slam
[2007.03.26 22:47:31] G guy: Ah, the whole 9 yards.
[2007.03.26 22:47:31] kiwi: I don't think it's so much a bug Marty - but there has been a major shift. Big thread on the boards called "shop sales disappeared"
[2007.03.26 22:48:04] MartyCP: As I said, I'll look into it. I know a lot of sales are marketplace based, but that's obviously too much.
[2007.03.26 22:48:08] Jolent: noticed it in my shops too....went from lots of shop sales to mostly MP sales
[2007.03.26 22:48:10] foxvox: If there's anyway we can help encourage CP to give existing people/resources extra help, let us know - heh.
[2007.03.26 22:48:11] Towal: I told whoever called me today about it and she said she would look into it, but not holding my breath
[2007.03.26 22:48:15] Lorilei: 82% of my sales say MP
[2007.03.26 22:48:30] shopaholicchick: marty even sales we make on our own shops are coming up marketplace
[2007.03.26 22:48:37] Towal: My sales went from 48% shop 42% MP to 99% MP in march
[2007.03.26 22:48:37] MartyCP: Got it.
[2007.03.26 22:48:38] G guy: Yeah and my stats show almost all come direct.
[2007.03.26 22:48:42] Lekker Jen: mine is also at about 80 - 85% the last time I looked
[2007.03.26 22:48:44] palmetto: good night. sleepy timer here on the east coast.
[2007.03.26 22:48:50] MartyCP: I'm sure it's a code issue.
[2007.03.26 22:48:56] palmetto: ..sleepy time.
[2007.03.26 22:49:00] palmetto has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:49:02] Towal: but the reports are solid ;)
[2007.03.26 22:49:06] shopaholicchick: marty can you ask about a copy feature?? we were talking about that earlier
[2007.03.26 22:49:17] Towal: forgive my cynical bone creeping out there on occasion :P
[2007.03.26 22:49:19] RowdyJRT: 30 orders and 5 of them say shop, 24 say MP, 1 affiliate
[2007.03.26 22:49:23] shopaholicchick: like to duplicate a full section - instead of just the import for product only
[2007.03.26 22:49:31] Adam: lol CJ are good at that line too towal
[2007.03.26 22:49:36] slamdunk: my brain is fried... see you guys tomorrow
[2007.03.26 22:49:45] Jolent: I agree...the full section.....and I'd like to move it to my other shops too!
[2007.03.26 22:49:46] shopaholicchick: brain? whats a brain??
[2007.03.26 22:49:52] BWS: My sales via CPShop still seem to be labelled "Shop"
[2007.03.26 22:49:57] shopaholicchick: i would love to copy my one section into a new shop
[2007.03.26 22:49:58] Adam: marty go home man
[2007.03.26 22:50:03] shopaholicchick: but i dont want to remove it from the current shop
[2007.03.26 22:50:05] Adam: we're done :D
[2007.03.26 22:50:08] shopaholicchick: i just want to duplicate it into another shop
[2007.03.26 22:50:14] slamdunk has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:50:21] evisionarts: yeah Marty go home
[2007.03.26 22:50:26] ppix1: Agreed. Go home! I am more grateful to you than I can say, and CP should thank you big time.
[2007.03.26 22:50:27] evisionarts: Thank you so much for staying.
[2007.03.26 22:50:31] BWS: Marty should go home
[2007.03.26 22:50:31] Towal: Thanks for staying Marty. I at least feel like someone is LISTENING to us now vs giving the George Bush Party Line to us
[2007.03.26 22:50:37] BWS: though we will miss him
[2007.03.26 22:50:39] Jolent: Marty, thank you , thank you, thank you...you've quieted us down and given us a bit of peace
[2007.03.26 22:50:44] RowdyJRT: Marty u have been evicted.. :)
[2007.03.26 22:50:49] MartyCP: Copy feature -- I've said this a couple of times, but in case you missed it -- I'm working on a better management system that invalidates the need to "copy a section."
[2007.03.26 22:50:50] ppix1: Thank you for being candid and not condescending. I have learned a lot.
[2007.03.26 22:50:52] foxvox: What everyone else said. Administer much chocolate too.
[2007.03.26 22:50:53] evisionarts: Tell your wife it was all our fault.
[2007.03.26 22:50:54] RowdyJRT: Hit the road Jack
[2007.03.26 22:51:01] Lekker Jen: I'm outta here. Marty, thanks so much. That chat had me peeved as all get out, and you really helped us out tonight
[2007.03.26 22:51:11] G guy: Yeah dude! U rock! We need to set up another chat with just you!!! LOL
[2007.03.26 22:51:15] shopaholicchick: marty it would allow me to have the same item in 2 shops at once?
[2007.03.26 22:51:18] kiwi: Marty - I'm officially in love with you now. Good night!
[2007.03.26 22:51:31] foxvox: Thanks so much Marty! Have a great night!!
[2007.03.26 22:51:33] MartyCP: Good night, those leaving.
[2007.03.26 22:51:34] shopaholicchick: go home marty - we will bug you - i mean see you later
[2007.03.26 22:51:35] Towal: can you work on redundancy in section set up too? (my probably biggest pet peeve). can't we have a check box if all the info is the same in the 2 areas of the section set up page?
[2007.03.26 22:51:42] Lekker Jen has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:51:43] givitup has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:51:47] MartyCP: Towal, that's all part of the plan.
[2007.03.26 22:52:02] Towal: thank heavens.
[2007.03.26 22:52:10] Towal: that alone will cut SO much time out
[2007.03.26 22:52:18] MartyCP: The idea is that adding a new product to every section in every store you have should take no more than 3 minutes.
[2007.03.26 22:52:30] foxvox:
[2007.03.26 22:52:30] Towal: dare to dream!
[2007.03.26 22:52:32] ppix1: You're going to make me cry.
[2007.03.26 22:52:34] MartyCP: Same for removing, updating, etc.
[2007.03.26 22:52:40] CobraA1: nice
[2007.03.26 22:52:44] shopaholicchick: marty if you do that you will be a god LOL
[2007.03.26 22:52:47] G guy: Fox... have some popcorn
[2007.03.26 22:52:48] Towal: how about a bulk remove (storewide) option
[2007.03.26 22:52:54] RowdyJRT: any timeframe?
[2007.03.26 22:53:00] RowdyJRT: not that I'm rushing u lol
[2007.03.26 22:53:01] Towal: like if I want to remove all the YELLOW Ts from my store
[2007.03.26 22:53:04] shopaholicchick: i would love to see that before august
[2007.03.26 22:53:08] shopaholicchick: LOL
[2007.03.26 22:53:14] MartyCP: I can't promise a release date or anything -- it's a major rethinking of our system -- but I think it's going to be the system that saves CafePress from itself.
[2007.03.26 22:53:16] ppix1: I'd love to see it tomorrow.
[2007.03.26 22:53:18] MP has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:53:24] MartyCP: I'd love to see it tomorrow too.:)
[2007.03.26 22:53:25] Adam: LOL
[2007.03.26 22:53:35] shopaholicchick: ppix i know if i ask for it in a month - i will be mad when i dont get it
[2007.03.26 22:53:36] foxvox: :D
[2007.03.26 22:53:39] RowdyJRT: well CP needs saved from itself we know that much
[2007.03.26 22:53:42] evisionarts: lol but will it save it from us?
[2007.03.26 22:53:43] I been robbed has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:53:47] dooni designs: just not during holiday season
[2007.03.26 22:53:48] shopaholicchick: lol ev
[2007.03.26 22:53:48] G guy: It's not tomorrow yet. U have time. :)
[2007.03.26 22:53:54] shopaholicchick: before auagust
[2007.03.26 22:54:00] foxvox: :-o
[2007.03.26 22:54:01] Jolent: we know you are working on it...thats good enough!!
[2007.03.26 22:54:04] CobraA1: If only you weren't on the west coast - I'd send you my resume in a heartbeat . . .
[2007.03.26 22:54:04] shopaholicchick: i need to load everything in august so i can go to germany for the fall
[2007.03.26 22:54:08] RowdyJRT: its like 3 forward 10 back some days
[2007.03.26 22:54:29] Towal: at least media basket load speeds have gotten better
[2007.03.26 22:54:34] JessH has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:54:46] foxvox: I'm taking off! Bye everyone! You've been a real wonder Marty! :-)
[2007.03.26 22:54:48] Towal: the 3-5 minute wait every time I had to go to the media basket was a real downer
[2007.03.26 22:54:58] foxvox has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:54:59] MartyCP: You're quite welcome.
[2007.03.26 22:55:22] MartyCP: Okee dokee -- I should probably head out. I'm 90 minutes late, and I still have to drive home.
[2007.03.26 22:55:35] MartyCP: Were there any outstanding things I left unanswered?
[2007.03.26 22:55:37] CobraA1: okay, thanks for your time!
[2007.03.26 22:55:39] RowdyJRT: I'll tell y'all the media basket loads fast in opera if you are just wanting to go in and work to organize it
[2007.03.26 22:55:39] Adam: youve done well
[2007.03.26 22:55:40] ppix1: Thanks again. You've calmed some seriously ticked off people.
[2007.03.26 22:55:41] mystic: Thanks abunch
[2007.03.26 22:55:41] BWS: Thanks as always Marty
[2007.03.26 22:55:45] evisionarts: Drive carefully Marty! Have a lovely evening.
[2007.03.26 22:55:47] Towal: thanks so much for staying Marty. I really appreciate it
[2007.03.26 22:55:47] Jolent: thanks again so very much Marty!!
[2007.03.26 22:55:51] tabitha: thanks marty. we all appreciate it. cpshop rocks, by the way.
[2007.03.26 22:55:52] evisionarts: What's left of it lol
[2007.03.26 22:55:57] evisionarts: We REALLY appreciate you
[2007.03.26 22:55:58] pembrokewcorgi: Marty :bow:
[2007.03.26 22:55:58] Kim: Thank You Marty!!!! You Rock!!!
[2007.03.26 22:56:01] Towal: Some of the pitchforks may be put down now ;)
[2007.03.26 22:56:02] pembrokewcorgi: THANK YOU
[2007.03.26 22:56:10] G guy: L8r dude. Appreciate all the help. I have questions but go home! It'll take a week. Youve done enuff!
[2007.03.26 22:56:15] mystic has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:56:16] shopaholicchick: i should go to bed
[2007.03.26 22:56:24] MartyCP: If we need to do this again tomorrow, I'll slug my way through it. I just want to make sure we communicate effectively, even if we're still struggling as a company to do it.
[2007.03.26 22:56:25] Adam: is martypress.com available?
[2007.03.26 22:56:33] evisionarts: lol
[2007.03.26 22:56:44] shopaholicchick: marty - tommorrow bring your dinner you may be here a while LMAO
[2007.03.26 22:56:44] G guy: cool
[2007.03.26 22:56:46] shopaholicchick: LOL
[2007.03.26 22:56:51] Adam: i was just thinkng maybe sack everyone and let marty run the show
[2007.03.26 22:56:57] evisionarts: You Marty are a very effective communicator.
[2007.03.26 22:56:58] BWS: I'm in, Adam
[2007.03.26 22:57:02] G guy: Now that works for me Adan
[2007.03.26 22:57:03] Kim: I second that motion!
[2007.03.26 22:57:10] RowdyJRT: Adam I was running that same thought thru my head
[2007.03.26 22:57:12] G guy: Adam! Oops!
[2007.03.26 22:57:16] shopaholicchick: marty run for it now before they elect you king
[2007.03.26 22:57:20] evisionarts: I don't think Mary's wife would like that
[2007.03.26 22:57:46] MartyCP: Okay folks. Until tomorrow. I hope (what's left of your) evening is a little better.
[2007.03.26 22:57:48] MartyCP: :)
[2007.03.26 22:57:51] Towal: you are apparently the only one :(
[2007.03.26 22:57:54] shopaholicchick: evening it is 11pm here
[2007.03.26 22:57:56] RowdyJRT: I know if I could buy out CP right this moment, I have 2 that would be as Trump says YOUR FIRED
[2007.03.26 22:58:02] Jolent: Well, I'm off to start removing links from my shops.....night all
[2007.03.26 22:58:03] evisionarts: you helped to make it MUCH better
[2007.03.26 22:58:07] evisionarts: good night!
[2007.03.26 22:58:08] Adam: 4am lmao
[2007.03.26 22:58:12] Adam: i have issues
[2007.03.26 22:58:14] shopaholicchick: lol rowdy
[2007.03.26 22:58:21] MartyCP has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:58:21] evisionarts: Adam you should just keep working
[2007.03.26 22:58:21] dooni designs has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:58:22] shopaholicchick: adam you dont have issues...
[2007.03.26 22:58:22] Towal: Adam who are you kidding. you don't sleep anyway :P
[2007.03.26 22:58:23] evisionarts: lol
[2007.03.26 22:58:24] Jolent has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:58:25] shopaholicchick: you have volumes!!
[2007.03.26 22:58:30] RowdyJRT: Adam I went to bed at 7am the last week
[2007.03.26 22:58:42] evisionarts has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:58:42] CobraA1: well, I'm gone too, bye!
[2007.03.26 22:58:50] Adam: good night all :D
[2007.03.26 22:58:53] RowdyJRT: sun comes up I go to bed, I'm Rowdyvira mistress of the dark lol
[2007.03.26 22:58:55] kippy: I don't think I'm actually taking anything in any longer haha
[2007.03.26 22:58:56] shopaholicchick: adam PM me tommorrow
[2007.03.26 22:59:02] shopaholicchick: or should i say today to you:-o
[2007.03.26 22:59:10] ppix1: Night! Morning! Whatever! Good luck all!
[2007.03.26 22:59:12] Adam: damn ;)
[2007.03.26 22:59:15] CobraA1 has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 22:59:17] shopaholicchick: hehehe
[2007.03.26 22:59:27] RowdyJRT: Adam, you are a party pooper
[2007.03.26 22:59:30] shopaholicchick: luckily i am off tommorrow
[2007.03.26 22:59:34] shopaholicchick: i just have to run errands
[2007.03.26 22:59:39] RowdyJRT: Lor you still here
[2007.03.26 22:59:41] shopaholicchick: and write a thesis
[2007.03.26 22:59:44] RowdyJRT: or did you fall asleep
[2007.03.26 22:59:49] kippy: goodnight everyone
[2007.03.26 22:59:51] ppix1 has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 23:00:00] BWS: I sure hope he's right RE loyalty sites, though he wasnt exactly definitive
[2007.03.26 23:00:27] shopaholicchick: i dont think anything about CP is right these days lol
[2007.03.26 23:00:43] Adam has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 23:00:45] RowdyJRT: I just want a choice, I really could care less what they do with CJ
[2007.03.26 23:00:50] kippy has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 23:00:54] tabitha has left the room (logged out)
[2007.03.26 23:01:00] Lorilei: I think I am
[2007.03.26 23:01:05] RowdyJRT: there u r
[2007.03.26 23:01:07] Lorilei: I'm multitasking
[2007.03.26 23:01:12] shopaholicchick: ok im off to bed
[2007.03.26 23:01:18] shopaholicchick: night all